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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: January 2, 2012 2:36 pm
Edited on: January 2, 2012 2:53 pm
 
By Gary Parrish

You think adopting a cute dog will keep you out of the Poll Attacks?

Think again, Toni.

Think again.

Let's go!

Associated Press poll: Pittsburgh is 11-4 overall and 0-2 in the Big East.

And yet the Panthers are still getting points in the AP poll.

Seriously.

The good news is that all four of Pitt's points came from the same voter, which means 64 of the AP's 65 voters understand the Panthers belong nowhere close to a Top 25 ballot. The bad news is that one voter isn't quite as tuned in. Her name is Toni Ginnetti, and this might be the first time I've ever Poll Attacked a woman. (Insert joke here.) Honestly, it makes me a little uncomfortable. But how can she have Pitt ranked 22nd?

Pittsburgh has no good wins and four bad losses (on the road at Notre Dame and at home to Long Beach State, Wagner and Cincinnati), which means the Panthers are in the running for the nation's most disappointing team considering they were ranked 10th in the preseason. And yet Toni has them ranked 22nd. Which is silly. She also has Xavier ranked 18th. Which is also silly considering the Musketeers have dropped four of their past five games, including Saturday's home game to a Gonzaga team that is now 11-2 and ranked 25th but somehow unranked on Toni's ballot.

In summary, Toni is the only person giving Pitt and Xavier votes.

So she's smarter than everybody or completely unaware of what's happened the past two weeks.

The latter seems more likely.

But, either way, let's end this on a good note. Seems Toni just adopted the cutest dog in the world. I'm for stuff like that. So because she's so generous I promise to never Poll Attack her again ... as long as she gets Jamie Dixon's underachieving Panthers off her ballot by next Monday.

Coaches poll: Jeff Goodman and I ranked Indiana seventh in the Top 25 (and one).

Now for the question you're asking ...

Do we really believe there are just six teams better than Tom Crean's Hoosiers?

Answer: No.

But what do you do with a team that's 13-1 with no bad losses and wins over Kentucky and Ohio State? At some point you have to throw away what you think you know and just rely on the body of work, and IU's body of work is among the nation's best. Again, the Hoosiers are 13-1. The only loss is a loss at Michigan State, and Indiana actually led that game with less than nine minutes remaining. (Michigan State, by the way, is 13-2 with losses only to North Carolina and Duke. So, like I said, IU's loss at Michigan State is not a bad loss.) Meantime, the Hoosiers have wins over Kentucky, Ohio State and Butler. That's really good at this point in the season and why I can't understand the coaches ranking IU 12th.

Let's compare the Hoosiers' body of work to one team ranked ahead of them -- Louisville.

The Cards are 12-2.

They have zero wins over teams currently ranked.

They have a loss to the Kentucky team that IU has already topped.

And, if you're into this sort of thing, the Cards are nine spots behind Indiana at KenPom.com.

So how is Louisville ranked ahead of Indiana? And why is Indiana still outside of the top 10? If the Hoosiers are fraudelant, we'll find out soon enough and adjust accordingly. But for now, they probably belong in the top 10, and they definitely belong ahead of Louisville.
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Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: January 2, 2012 6:48 pm
 

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GARY- You asked  "Why is UofL ranked above IU ??   ANSWER --  Ready --??    BECAUSE ... UofL would beat IU  9 of 10 Games AWAY from Assembly hall !!  Thats why !!   Dare you to ask this same Question come March !!!   You,my friend, will "EAT" your words --I Promise !!!..  HAPPY & HEALTHY NEW YEAR !!!


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Since: Dec 29, 2006
Posted on: January 2, 2012 5:53 pm
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Since: Oct 21, 2007
Posted on: January 2, 2012 5:38 pm
 

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I also have IU as 7th . I have also been less than impressed with Louisville , they haven't even done well against inferior opponents . ULs last 7 games have been shoddy at best . The only team that I really question id San Diego St . Playing Redlands College and San Diego Christain College has to really kill their strength of schedule . I believe in body of work and even tho I am a diehard UK fan and do not like Syracuse I think Syracuse deserves the #1 ranking . Numbers 8 thru 17 are easily interchangeable .



Since: Jan 5, 2009
Posted on: January 2, 2012 5:23 pm
 

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No, if it were not for Pitino's strategy to constantly foul to give his less talented team a chance by taking KY out of their game, KY would have won by 30. Dieng does not match up with Davis, noone does, he is the best shot blocker and if he played the first half, he would smashed a few more of Siva's and Smith's shots into the Rupp floor like he did in the second half.



Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: January 2, 2012 5:19 pm
 

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Completely agree with everything there.



Since: Jan 2, 2012
Posted on: January 2, 2012 5:09 pm
 

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KaitinTexas,


I also believe UK was exposed in the UL/UK game also.  They had trouble with the UL pressure - especially as the game went on.  If it were not for the amount of fouls called in that game, who knows how it would have turned out.  UL's front line was in foul trouble in the first 5 minutes of the game.  UK had a lead of like 31-16 at one point, and UK had only hit one shot from the field.  When Dieng was in the game, it was a push between him and Davis.  MKG is legit, and he showed that the whole game.  He is one player on UK's team that UL does not match up well against.  Historically, UL never shoots the ball well at Rupp, and this game was no different.  They do, however play great defense, and that was obvious, as well.  UK is going to win most of their games this year because they have such a talented roster.  When you look at history, and the type of teams that win in the tourney, it is always teams with junior/senior leadership that prevail.  Look back to the Fab Five.  All those guys went pro, but they didnt win the championship against a Duke team of upperclassmen.  Look at Calipari's first UK team, they were exceptionally talented, but they made freshman mistakes, and got beat also.  Maybe this years UK team will be the exception to the rule, maybe not.   There are many outstanding bball teams around the country this year, many of them with upperclassmen leaders on the floor.    As for UL, I expect them to finish in the top 3 in Big East play, and they will float around the top 25 the rest of the season.  Either way, I am from Kentucky, and want to see UL, UK, WKU, Murray St, and Morehead St excel, not only this year, but every year.



Since: Nov 29, 2008
Posted on: January 2, 2012 4:54 pm
 

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She also has Xavier ranked 18th. Which is also silly considering the Musketeers have dropped four of their past five games, including Saturday's home game to a Gonzaga team that is now 11-2 and ranked 25th but somehow unranked on Toni's ballot.
I'm gonna go ahead and assume that she did this because that loss to Gonzaga was the first loss Xavier took with all of its players available. All of the bleeding they've done in their past four games has been without Dezmine Wells, who only averages nine points but gets 21 minutes on the floor per game. She might be throwing out the other three losses (and maybe even the Gonzaga loss) since they weren't Xavier at full strength, something that's understandable but a bit daft considering who they lost and how much he did for the team. If I wanted to go that route to make the Zags look better, I'd say that in games with Guy Landry Edi the Zags are undefeated with wins over Arizona, Butler, and Xavier and should be ranked based on that resume, but Edi only averages 12 minutes of floor time with four points a game, not quite an essential player.



Since: Jan 2, 2012
Posted on: January 2, 2012 4:45 pm
 

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UL fan here, and UK fan also.  I have thought since the preseason that UL was ranked too high.  UL historically starts slow, this goes all the way back to the Denny Crum era, so it is no surprise that they lost to Georgetown and UK.  This is a team/program that builds as the season progresses, and plays their best basketball in late Jan, Feb, and March, leading up to the NCAA tourney.  I have considered them to be around the 12-18 best team in the country all year.  Its nice to get the recognition in the early polls, but not necessary for us.  What is important, however, is playing a tough schedule out of conference, leading up to the conference games.  Kudos to both Georgetown and UK - they both played well in those games, got the win, and exposed the areas in UL's game that need to be addressed.  Pitino is an excellent coach, and will do his job when it comes to getting the most out of the players he has available.  The same could be said for UL when Crum was coaching.  He was excellent at teaching his players to be a team as the year went on, and it always showed in their progress come tourney time.




Since: Jan 2, 2012
Posted on: January 2, 2012 4:32 pm
 

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Louisville also lost to Georgetown, a team ranked lower than them, and it was at home.



Since: Oct 18, 2006
Posted on: January 2, 2012 4:26 pm
 

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Dabiggchill,

Did you forget that L'ville also lost to Georgetown?  They lost twice in one week...they should drop.  If they had ONLY lost to UK, then your argument might have some merit. 


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