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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: January 16, 2012 3:29 pm
 
By Gary Parrish

We've got a Murray State problem that needs to be addressed.

And this is a good place to address it.

So let's do some Poll Attacks.

Associated Press poll: Louisville is 14-4 with two losses to unranked teams and zero wins over schools that are currently ranked. Take away everything you thought you knew about the Cardinals in the preseason, focus on what I just told you and then I think, you'll understand why we are no longer ranking Rick Pitino's team in the Top 25 (and one). The Cards have bad losses and no great wins to offset those losses. That's the bottom line. So Louisville does not deserve to be in the Top 25 (and one). Or 23rd in this week's AP poll.

And the Cards sure as hell don't deserve to be 10th.

But guess who has them ranked 10th?

Answer: Ron Morris.

Ron actually has Louisville 10th and Florida 11th even though both schools are 14-4 with two losses to unranked teams and zero wins over currently ranked teams. Meantime, he has Indiana 16th even though the Hoosiers are 15-3 with just one loss to an unranked team and three wins over currently ranked teams, specifically No. 2 Kentucky, No. 6 Ohio State and No. 20 Michigan. I genuinely have no idea how anybody could look at what Louisville and Florida have done and conclude it's A) worthy of a top 15 vote, or B) better than what Indiana has done.

But, somehow, Ron does.

I bet he couldn't explain why he does.

But, according to his latest ballot, he absolutely does.

Coaches poll: I don't think Murray State is one of the nation's 10 best teams.

If you do, that's fine.

I don't have an issue provided you really believe it. But what I do have an issue with is how the Racers are moving up the polls based on little more than the fact that they play in the Ohio Valley Conference and every other relevant team does not. They are advancing because they're spending each week playing grossly inferior opponents while a Big Ten team might host Ohio State one night and be at Michigan the next. Put another way, there are lots of weeks when a split should be considered a good week. But splits almost always move teams down in the polls while 2-0 weeks move folks up. And while that's somewhat OK in most cases because the power-conference schedules tend to balance themselves out over time, this simple approach to ranking creates issues when a solid team from a bad league gets involved.

That's what's happening here.

That's why the Racers are ranked 10th.

So my question is simple: When does it stop?

If Kansas loses to Baylor late Monday but then beats Texas this weekend while Murray State handles Morehead State and SIU-Edwardsville, are voters gonna move the No. 7 Jayhawks below Murray State based on the idea that KU went 1-1 while Murray State went 2-0? I hope not. Because weeks, like overall records, need context, and it's silly to continue to advance the Racers without considering the context of what their wins really show and what others' losses really mean.

That's why we've kept the Racers at No. 20.

Because that's about where they belong regardless of how many consecutive OVC schools they beat.
Comments

Since: Apr 16, 2008
Posted on: January 16, 2012 9:07 pm
 

The Poll Attacks

These schools get to where they are in "polls" because the media pukes vote them there.  The various voting polls mean nothing in the overall scheme.  Only rankings that matter at all are RPI, which NCAA uses to select and seed tournament teams, and Sagarin computer ratings.  These ratings have Murray State at 22 and 28 today.  Forget about AP, Coach's poll, Harris, et al, they are worthless, just fodder for coffee break banter.



Since: Jan 16, 2012
Posted on: January 16, 2012 9:05 pm
 

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looks like uk and wvu will meet in march again at some point both got about the same ball clubs like too see them match up would be a interesting game!!!!!!!!!!!



Since: Jan 16, 2012
Posted on: January 16, 2012 9:02 pm
 

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your right on the lost to uk but what round was it look? wvu does deserve to be in top 25 dont u think!!!!!!!!!



Since: Jan 16, 2012
Posted on: January 16, 2012 8:54 pm
 

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wvu lost to the big blue in 2nd rd last year



Since: Jan 16, 2012
Posted on: January 16, 2012 8:26 pm
 

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I agree that any team does not deserve to move up because they had an eaiser week than the team if front of them. Murray did beat Memphis on their floor when they were ranked. They also beat Southern Miss. & Dayton plus every other team that would play them. UK never would play them, nor would any of the majors. If teams won't play them, we don't really know how good they are do we?



Since: Jan 16, 2012
Posted on: January 16, 2012 8:26 pm
 

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what about them beating #10 georgetown and kansas state #25



Since: Jan 16, 2012
Posted on: January 16, 2012 8:21 pm
 

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when u go too strength od schedule wvu plays in the toughest conference plus playing other top ranked teams they should be ranked i agree with the guy if a team loses one game on sunday then wins on wed they should not be a dramatic drop or raise in the rankings that is why in march and april in the finals u have all different seeds now in the final four and elite 8 wvu made elite 8 last year and should be ranked but is not it is because of people wont get off the teams that have won for year after year now they aint what they used too be they might have same coach but not same players



Since: Jan 14, 2012
Posted on: January 16, 2012 8:20 pm
 

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W.Virginia does deserve to be in the top 25.Why?Sure they lost to baylor by TWO.They should move up for that.
 



Since: Jan 16, 2012
Posted on: January 16, 2012 8:13 pm
 

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west virginia had them beat !!!!!!! alot of bad calls in that game wvu deserves too be in top 25 come on sports people we got too get off the teams that win year after year i mean wvu did make it too the elite 8 last year and still got a solid basketball club



Since: Jan 16, 2012
Posted on: January 16, 2012 8:09 pm
 

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i think west virginia should be ranked in top 25 with 2 point loss too #4 baylor and beat kansas state there ranked 25th lets get off of the bluedevil and huskie bandwagon and give some teams that deserve to be ranked they didnt think they deserve bcs bowl in football look what they did to higher ranked team blew them off the map sports nation needs to recognize them


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