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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: January 23, 2012 4:07 pm
Edited on: January 23, 2012 4:10 pm
By Gary Parrish

The Missouri beat writer is voting Missouri fourth.

I don't like it because it's wrong.

But I kinda like it because it's ballsy.

Either way, I wrote about it (and other things) in the Poll Attacks.

(Don't believe me, keep reading.)

Associated Press poll: Jeff Goodman and I ranked Missouri second in the Top 25 (and one). I believe that's right where the Tigers belong based on their body of work, but I can understand somebody putting Kentucky, Ohio State and/or Syracuse ahead of them. It would be wrong, in my opinion. But a reasonable argument could be made. So I'm not gonna freak out about the five AP voters who have Missouri ranked fourth this week. I just think it's funny that one of them is Steve Walentik from the Columbia Daily Tribune.

Yes, Steve covers Missouri in Columbia.

And he's one of the few ranking the Tigers too low.

But I kinda dig it because I know Steve must be catching hell -- especially since he has Big 12 rival Kansas ranked one spot ahead of Missouri despite the fact that KU has three losses (including a loss to unranked Davidson) while Missouri has just one loss (at Kansas State) and is coming off a road win (at Baylor) that's better than any road win the Jayhawks possess. I mean, how strong-willed do you have to be to (incorrectly) rank the team you cover lower than 60 of the other 65 AP voters? That takes some balls.

So I hereby declare Steve Walentik an anti-homer.

He could make the All Anti-Homer Beat Writer Team that'll be unveiled in March.

Anyway ...

Norm Wood screwed up pretty good this week.

He writes for a newspaper in Virginia.

He has Wisconsin ranked 10th and Marquette unranked, which is stupid for three reasons.
  1. Wisconsin shouldn't be ranked 10th anywhere.
  2. Marquette shouldn't unranked anywhere.
  3. Wisconsin shouldn't be ranked ahead of Marquette
Marquette is ahead of Wisconsin in the AP poll, the Coaches poll and the Top 25 (and one) because though Marquette and Wisconsin have similar bodies of work -- both have one win over a currently ranked team -- Marquette actually has a win at Wisconsin. That's got to count for something. But Norm has Wisconsin ranked 10th and Marquette unranked, and I bet that doesn't make sense to the folks in Milwaukee.

Or the folks in Moraga.

My guess is they're just as confused about Norm's decision to put Wisconsin so far ahead of Marquette as they are about his decision to put Gonzaga seven spots ahead of their Saint Mary's Gaels. In case you haven't been following the WCC, here's what you need to know: SMC and Gonzaga -- like Wisconsin and Marquette -- have similar bodies of work, but SMC owns an 83-62 win over Gonzaga.

Again, that's got to count for something.

I'm not saying Saint Mary's is clearly better than Gonzaga.

I'm just saying you can't have Gonzaga ranked seven spots ahead of Saint Mary's right now.

I mean, you can.

I guess.

But look at what happens when you do it.

Coaches poll: Last week was a prove-it week for New Mexico.

Some folks were already ranking the Lobos.

Others -- like us -- were not.

But what we all agreed on last Monday was that New Mexico would have a chance to prove or disprove it belongs because the Lobos had upcoming games against nationally ranked San Diego State (at home) and UNLV (on the road), and I had basically decided that a split would be enough to launch Steve Alford's team into the Top 25 (and one).

But the Lobos lost both games.

They lost 75-70 at home to San Diego State and 80-63 on the road at UNLV.

So why is New Mexico still getting votes in the coaches poll?

Answer: I don't kow.

New Mexico is 15-4 with zero wins over schools receiving votes in either major poll and two losses to teams (New Mexico State and Santa Clara) that aren't receiving votes. In other words, the Lobos are good ... but they're good with an extremely thin resume. They had two chances to record a notable win last week, but they couldn't do it. And that's why they shouldn't be on anybody's ballot until they show that they can.

Since: May 9, 2009
Posted on: January 24, 2012 12:46 pm

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Give me a break kidphx...Even your coach said he wasnt the reason they lost and if he is, in your opinion, the only reason your team has BIG problems. You were ranked No 1 which suggests you have guys on the bench who could play in his stead; apparently you dont so quit predicting what Syracuse would have done if he had played. And by the way he was good on D but averaged 6 pts a game...we will give you the 6 pts...yikes you still lose. Stop being such a sore sport. ND's best player is out for the season and has been since the season started. Happens. You have to adapt and again if you allegedly have the best team you can adapt. Assuming he doesnt play again this will be your standard excuse for any other losses? Really?

Since: Nov 4, 2007
Posted on: January 24, 2012 12:34 pm

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I don't think Syracuse deserves to be ranked above the Tigers right now.   They lost on the road to a team Missouri waffle stomped and Mizzou played ND before the Irish lost their best player for the season.   Not only that but I would imagine Mizzou's road win against the number three team in the country is most likely the best road win for a team this year or at least in the top three as FSU won against a slightly lower ranked opponent but in a much more difficult enviroment.

When you go on the road and get dominated by a team like Notre Dame start to finish you really do deserve to drop a few spots, not just one.

Since: Aug 22, 2007
Posted on: January 24, 2012 12:26 pm

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Yes, Mizzou's best road win was against a Baylor team that was beaten in Lawrence. But ku has lost to Davidson, an unranked team. They lost to Duke on a neutral floor.  ku hasn't had an inpressive road win. All ku's biggest conference wins have been at home. They haven't played in Kstate or Baylor, or in Columbia yet.

Since: Feb 9, 2008
Posted on: January 24, 2012 12:24 pm

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The poll is a joke.  Syracuse has 1 loss in a tough conference on the road AND they were without their center Fab Melo which totally affected the outcome of that game.  The Irish center dominated in a way he probably hadn't since he was in 8th grade towering over 7th graders he outweighed by 40 lbs.  I have no problem with Kentucky at #1 but the Cuse should be no lower than #2.  I know all pollsters look for every way to get Duke, Kentucky and N Carolina towards the top but this week's voting was even more ridiculous than most.  One thing for sure though, March Madness is going to kick a-s this year.  Go Orange!

Since: Mar 14, 2009
Posted on: January 24, 2012 12:23 pm

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Sorry  I didn't think I needed to restate what Mizzou and KU had done against Baylor and K-State since it was already pointed out below.  At this point all teams have their flaws,  Mizzou losing to K-State, KU losing to Davidson, Kentucky losing to Indiana,  Syracuse losing to ND and Duke losing to Florida State.   

Since: Sep 19, 2007
Posted on: January 24, 2012 12:21 pm

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Remember Missouri also routed notre dame at notre dame who just beat syracuse. Missouri has routed pretty decent teams while KU struggled to beat texas in the last minute who we also routed and struggled again to beat a non ranked team last night at home. And KU lost to davidson which is a pretty bad loss. Missouri's only loss was to a team ranked 18 at the time in kansas state. And we routed cal who was ranked 18 at the time. We will see where we end up at the end of the season. I don't think we can beat ku in ku but will probably beat them in columbia given the struggles they have been having this year. Number 2 is where we beliong right now in my mind. And apparantely 65 other writers belive the same thing. No question that kentucky is #1 given the talent they have on that team. But missouri is a team that could make a run this year.

Since: Jan 24, 2012
Posted on: January 24, 2012 11:57 am

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where to begin.  this will all be settled on feb 4th and 25th.  davidson is a perrenial tournament team.  they are not ut arlington or something like that.  they are going again this year, undefeated in conference and have played duke and kansas.  also, kansas lost to 2 number one teams.  kentucky and duke.   and they beat one number one team, ohio state.   and as for mizzou's 2 landmark (supposedly) games.  kansas handled both of them by 20 (ish)   baylor and k state.  they haven't played an other team of relevance to get any accolades.  title still goes through lawrence.  rawk chawk jayhawk

Since: Jan 23, 2012
Posted on: January 24, 2012 11:53 am

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Can't compare stats to someone who doesn't realize that Baylor was a top 5 team and we Mizzou beat them at home.  Go back to the drawing board.

Since: Jan 24, 2012
Posted on: January 24, 2012 11:51 am

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You have to include all "like" teams:

Mizzou lost to K State
Kansas won against K State

Mizzou one by 1 vs Baylor....KU 18 points.

KU played Kentucky, Ohio St, Duke, and Georgetown...other than Baylor, Mizzou hasn't played a top 10 team.  Play tougher teams and then we will compare stats!

Since: Jan 23, 2012
Posted on: January 24, 2012 11:33 am

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The SEC will be a better fit for Mizzou than the old Big 12 and KU still doesn't get it.  Missouri has offered to continue to play KU after this year but apparently was refused by KU....hmmm wonder why.

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