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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: January 30, 2012 3:29 pm
Edited on: January 30, 2012 3:46 pm
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By Gary Parrish

Wisconsin should be on everybody's ballot.

Connecticut shouldn't be on anybody's ballot.

I'll explain why in great detail in this edition of the Poll Attacks.

Associated Press poll: Three voters aren't including Wisconsin on their ballots.

That makes no sense considering Wisconsin is ...
  • 17-5 overall, 6-3 in the Big Ten.
  • on a five-game winning streak.
  • the owner of wins over No. 11 UNLV and No. 20 Indiana.
  • the owner of just one loss to a currently unranked team.
  • ranked No. 2 at KenPom.com with a defense that ranks second nationally.

I seriously can't think of any way to justify not having Wisconsin on a Top 25 ballot.

So who are the guilty parties?

One of them Jack Bogaczyk. He didn't rank Wisconsin but he did rank Louisville -- a school that has one more loss to a currently unranked team than Wisconsin has and two fewer wins (i.e., zero total) over a currently ranked team than Wisconsin possesses. Another one of them is Steve Wiseman. He didn't rank Wisconsin but he did rank Harvard -- a school that has one more loss to a currently unranked team than Wisconsin has and one fewer win over a currently ranked team than Wisconsin possesses. And the third one is Nick Jezierny. He didn't rank Wisconsin but he did rank Connecticut ... and I'm about to explain just how silly Nick is for doing that.

Coaches poll: You know how many losses Connecticut has to currently unranked teams? Six. You know how many wins Connecticut has over currently ranked teams? Two. And the Huskies have lost three straight and five of their past seven. And yet somehow Jim Calhoun's team is still getting 21 points in the coaches poll (and two points in the AP poll thanks to my buddy Nick, who has UConn 24th on his ballot).

My question: How could anybody vote for Connecticut right now?

I mean, I like the roster, too.

But the team is undeniably average.

The Huskies have played 20 games and accomplished very little. They've lost to UCF on a neutral, to Seton Hall, Rutgers and Tennessee on the road, and to Cincinnati and Notre Dame at home, and none of those schools are in the latest coaches poll. The best wins are over No. 23 Harvard, No. 24 Florida State and unranked West Virginia, and two of those wins (FSU and Harvard) occurred ages ago. So, again, how could anybody vote for Connecticut right now? The only explanation is that a handful of coaches must've accidentally submitted ballots from last season. Either that or a handful of coaches are dumb or careless or both. And I'm actually surprised that Nick is the one writer voting for UConn because he's a knowledgeable lad. So I felt compelled to ask for an explanation. He responded with this: "I'm giving UConn [the] benefit of the doubt. I think no one wants to see them in March, but I can see why you want to attack me."

I was somewhat OK with that response because Nick basically acknowledged that his UConn vote isn't based on actual results of games. He just assumes the Huskies will be good eventually, and that's good enough for him. Granted, that's not how I believe somebody should be voting in late January. But whatever. At least Nick knows UConn doesn't have a body of work that's worthy of a Top 25 vote. That's all I wanted him to realize.

But he couldn't stop there.

My man just had to Tweet again.

"And I still think it would be a better use of your time to write about one of 340 men's bball teams than analyze ballots," Nick typed, to which I responded: "And I think it would be a better use of your time to watch Connecticut."
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Since: Feb 5, 2008
Posted on: January 31, 2012 1:07 pm
 

The Poll Attacks

University of Wisconsin won the national championship in 1941.  



Since: Jan 15, 2009
Posted on: January 31, 2012 10:50 am
 

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RE: "And I still think it would be a better use of your time to write about one of 340 men's bball teams than analyze ballots," 

Sounds like Nick Jezierny is a chicken poop.
That's a typical response from people who don't want people to ask them questions. Instead of simply explaining his position on why he voted for UConn, Nick went into attack mode.

"Excuse me, sir, why are you stealing those 401k accounts from your employees?"
"I think it would be a better use of your time to figure out how to feed the hungry than worry about me stealing from innocent people and their families."

I disagree with why Nick voted for UConn. I don't think you should vote for someone in the polls ebcause you think they're going to play better later in the year or because they were very good last year. The poll is for trying to determine which schools are the best now and have shown the best bodies of work thus far this season. However, if that's what Nick wants to do, that's up to him.

But when he attacks someone for asking why he did what he did, he's showing his true colors.



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: January 31, 2012 10:22 am
 

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I always thought the argument for BB was that the poll didn't matter because it is all settled during March. in the tourney. Who really cares, this will all be settled by the end of March, early April.




Polls matter for seeding in the tourney though don't they?

So how does it benefit a clearly better team to be seeded lower than another team that is not playing that well?

Anyway this discussion isn't about the tourney.  It is about the polls.  And the polls are a snapshot of what teams are doing RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT NOW Wiscy is playing better ball than UCONN.  PERIOD.  You cannot deny that.  But that doesn't mean that this will continue.  I've followed Bucky too long to know that they often times look really good at times and then play really crappy at others.

If UCONN starts playing better they'll deserve a bump in the polls.  Until then, denying Wisconsin a higher seed simply because you "think" UCONN will play better or you "hope" they will play better is simply asinine.  The fact is that they are NOT playing better right now.  And this poll is about how you're playing NOW, not in the future.  That is for future polls tell.

So in essence, Nick Jezierny is a complete tool.




Since: Jun 5, 2011
Posted on: January 31, 2012 10:21 am
 

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Wiscy plays a boring brand of basketball.  That means they have to perform at a very high level to get votes from a lot of writers.  Worse yet, their style, which would seem to make them the perfect "team nobody wants to play in the tournament," hasn't gotten them to the Final Four since 2000, under Dick Bennett. 

As for UConn, they appear to commit almost as many violations in basketball as Ohio State does in football, but a lot media members still love Jim Calhoun.  I can easily imagine some East Coast writers looking at their top 25 ballots, saying "Oops, I forgot UConn," and squeezing them in somewhere while taking out a team they don't like.  

We'll see what happens at tournament time.



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: January 31, 2012 10:20 am
 

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Polls matter for seeding in the tourney though don't they?

So how does it benefit a clearly better team to be seeded lower than another team that is not playing that well?

Anyway this discussion isn't about the tourney.  It is about the polls.  And the polls are a snapshot of what teams are doing RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT NOW Wiscy is playing better ball than UCONN.  PERIOD.  You cannot deny that.  But that doesn't mean that this will continue.  I've followed Bucky too long to know that they often times look really good at times and then play really crappy at others.

If UCONN starts playing better they'll deserve a bump in the polls.  Until then, denying Wisconsin a higher seed simply because you "think" UCONN will play better or you "hope" they will play better is simply asinine.  The fact is that they are NOT playing better right now.  And this poll is about how you're playing NOW, not in the future.  That is for future polls tell.

So in essence, Nick Jezierny is a complete tool.




Since: Jun 5, 2011
Posted on: January 31, 2012 10:20 am
 

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Wiscy plays a boring brand of basketball.  That means they have to perform at a very high level to get votes from a lot of writers.  Worse yet, their style, which would seem to make them the perfect "team nobody wants to play in the tournament," hasn't gotten them to the Final Four since 2000, under Dick Bennett.

As for UConn, they appear to commit almost as many violations in basketball as Ohio State does in football, but a lot media members still love Jim Calhoun.  I can easily imagine some East Coast writers looking at their top 25 ballots, saying "Oops, I forgot UConn," and squeezing them in somewhere while taking out a team they don't like.  

We'll see what happens at tournament time. 



Since: Oct 10, 2010
Posted on: January 31, 2012 10:19 am
 

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Dude, get over yourself. At the rate IU is going they are a NIT team at best. They better right the ship or it's big apple bound.


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Since: Jan 31, 2012
Posted on: January 31, 2012 9:21 am
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Since: Oct 7, 2010
Posted on: January 31, 2012 8:50 am
 

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Get your shots in on the Hoosiers now, because the tides are turning and you know it.  And by the way, we have 5 national Titles to wiscy's 0!!!!!!!!!!!



Since: Aug 20, 2007
Posted on: January 31, 2012 8:47 am
 

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Certain teams ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the Polls. 
Granted, UCONN is defending champs and they have played a lot of games without
Boatright, but still, no reason for them to be in the top 25.  Fortunately, the Polls
don't win Championships, but it helps come seeding time.
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