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The Poll Attacks: Voter drops KU, just because

Posted on: February 27, 2012 3:42 pm
Edited on: February 27, 2012 3:48 pm
 
By Gary Parrish

Associated Press poll: Fletcher Mackel had Kansas ranked fourth last week.

That was a little high at the time, in my opinion.

But whatever.

I could live with it because after Kentucky and Syracuse the next few spots were up for debate, and KU at No. 4 wasn't unreasonable. So I left Fletcher alone and focused my attention on the 15 AP voters who inexplicably left Indiana off their ballots. But now I have to highlight Fletcher because he's confusing the hell out of me. Again, he had Kansas fourth last week. The Jayhawks then won at Texas A&M and beat Missouri to claim at least a share of the Big 12 title, and now Fletcher has Bill Self's team ranked ... seventh?

Yes, seventh.

So this might be the first time in the history of AP voting that a man has dropped a team three spots after a 2-0 week that featured a win over a Top 10 opponent. Fletcher had Kansas ahead of everybody except Kentucky, Syracuse and Missouri last week. Now he's got Kansas behind Kentucky, Syracuse, Duke, Michigan State, North Carolina and Marquette -- meaning Duke, Michigan State, North Carolina and Marquette all jumped the Jayhawks after the Jayhawks' perfect and impressive week. Following tha logic, my guess is that KU will beat Oklahoma State and Texas this week, win the outright Big 12 title and then fall behind Georgetown, Wisconsin and UNLV on Fletcher's ballot next Monday, at which point Fletcher will also drop Thomas Robinson to Third Team All-American because all this playing well and winning isn't really that impressive.

Coaches poll: Mississippi State has lost five straight games and four of them have come to unranked opponents. So of course the Bulldogs are still getting five points in the coaches poll. That makes sense, right?

Listen, I know coaches are busy this time of the year.

I'm busy this time of the year.

But it's not difficult to click on CBSSports.com and realize the Bulldogs are now a 10-loss team with seven losses to unranked schools, and it doesn't take much time to click on CBSSports.com and see that Rick Stansbury's team has dropped five straight, including a 67-50 decision on Saturday to a nine-loss Alabama team. I'm talking seconds, not minutes. And yet there are still some men somewhere putting Mississippi State on a Top 25 ballot.

Even Mississippi State fans think that's dumb.

Renardo Sidney has punched teammates for things less stupid.

Comments

Since: Mar 18, 2010
Posted on: February 27, 2012 11:32 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops KU, just because

Just curious, nuetral site games are 'road' games for Duke??  Their schedule says outside the conference, they played one 'true' road game @ OSU and lost by 22?!?  I would guess the 2 teams with the best road wins would be the 2 teams with the most and only 1 loss, Syracuse and Kentucky??



Since: Feb 18, 2009
Posted on: February 27, 2012 11:26 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops KU, just because

A lot of people chirp about Team A beat Team B in November, but let's be honest.  That was November.  Teams like Michigan St. and Kansas are light years ahead of where they were then.  Polls are basically a "where is a team now" type of deal.  And anyone who thinks that UNC or Duke is playing better than Kansas or Michigan St. right now is insane. 



Since: Nov 16, 2010
Posted on: February 27, 2012 11:10 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops KU, just because

The team with the best road wins would be Duke and it isn't close.....
 
#5 Michigan State (MSG is not a home game)
#3 Kansas
#6 UNC
#13 Michigan
#22 FSU
 
Michigan State has two wins over teams currently ranked in the top 25 on the road, OSU and Wisconsin.



Since: Aug 15, 2006
Posted on: February 27, 2012 10:51 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops KU, just because

Why bother with poll attacks. Human polls mean nothing in college basketball. Not even something the committee takes in to account. Rankings just there to pump the games during the week.



Since: Jan 7, 2009
Posted on: February 27, 2012 10:19 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops KU, just because

Is that really all you've got?  Seriously, man.  The Carrier event was a great event, one that all teams would have been proud to be involved in, even if they were the underdogs (which MSU was, and UNC showed them on the court WHY they were).  I'm just saying Izzo has done a lot of leaving UNC matchups feeling good about "effort" rather than taking home W's in recent years.  MSU is a very, very, very good basketball team.  I'm no fool.  I don't agree with the higher ranking, but that doesn't matter.  I can take it and accept the logic of the voters, even if I think it is a little faulty.  But I think Izzo would not sleep well tonight if he knew he had to play UNC tomorrow.  Roy probably would feel a lot of pressure, too...pressure to keep up the tradition of winning against this good team.  



Since: Mar 20, 2009
Posted on: February 27, 2012 10:08 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops KU, just because

That must be why MSU invited UNC to play on the carrier this year.....'cause they were scared?




Since: Jan 7, 2009
Posted on: February 27, 2012 10:03 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops KU, just because

SpartaninTX, I have to say THIS post of yours seems a little whiny to me.  Our kids were young and yours were older.  My two cents is that I also hope UNC meets MICH ST again, as we have basically dominated these matchups for a decade.  One thing is for sure...Izzo ALWAYS dreads meeting UNC.  Always.  I know he would DREAD having to face this 4-loss team this year, too.



Since: Mar 20, 2009
Posted on: February 27, 2012 9:37 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops KU, just because

LanceBrodie, your post has a slight whine to it.  MSU played UNC with a couple of vets and six kids that never played college basketball before, and they played decent against a veteran UNC team.  They also ripped off 15 straight wins after UNC and Duke, one of which was a 17 point win against the same Florida State team that beat UNC by 33.  And they beat OSU in Columbus, where Duke got blown out.  They have already clinched at least a tie for the B10 title, which has been ranked as the best conference in college hoops all year, and their RPI and SOS rankings are near the top.  If MSU and UNC play again in Mar or Apr (and I hope they do) then I will grant the better team as the winner of that game.  At this point in the season I would love to see them square off again, although I doubt Roy would look forward to that matchup.



Since: Apr 6, 2010
Posted on: February 27, 2012 8:57 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops KU, just because

LanceBrodie,
Agreed, I reread your post and don't know where I got that 20.  

Nothing that happened in any other season has an relevance here.  I'll reiterate that I don't have a problem if you want to use THIS season's victory as justification to rank the Heels above the Spartans.  But you can't dispute that there are valid reasons to rank MSU higher, even if you disagree with them.

PS I was at the aforementioned game earlier this season. A victory would have been better, but regardless it was an awesome event.   



Since: Jun 14, 2009
Posted on: February 27, 2012 8:47 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops KU, just because

Please, would all of you stop this nonsense about the refs giving the Jayhawks the game.  Refs make calls, good and bad.  You play through them.  In the first half, Robinson had two fouls called on him that replays and the play-by-play guys showed were "phantom" calls.  Same with a foul on Withey.  Both guys had to sit out long periods of the half as a result.  And so what.  That is a part of the game.  You play thought those things.  Mizzou played a terrific game but let KU back in and just didn't convert as many times as KU.  End of discussion.  Losers talk about refs - ballplayers pay the game.


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