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The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

Posted on: March 5, 2012 8:04 pm
Edited on: March 5, 2012 8:10 pm
 
By Gary Parrish

Tom Crean cost himself an AP vote by beating Michigan State and Purdue.

I know that sounds crazy.

But it's true and the focus of the Poll Attacks.

Associated Press poll: I've been on this Indiana thing for a few weeks because I don't understand how presumed intelligent reporters could watch basketball and/or look at bodies of work of basketball teams and conclude the Hoosiers didn't deserve to be ranked. I had to jump the 15 voters who didn't rank IU two Mondays ago, and that number dwindled to seven last week. It was better, obviously. But seven voters were still wrong.

Now?

Now only one voter is still wrong.

It's Jason Franchuk from the Provo Daily Herald.

He somehow decided to omit Indiana from his ballot even though the Hoosiers are:
  • 24-7 overall.
  • on a four-game winning streak.
  • the owners of wins over No. 1 Kentucky, No. 7 Ohio State and No. 8 Michigan State.
  • ranked 10th at KenPom.com and 12th at CollegeRPI.com.
  • 8-4 against the Top 50 and 11-5 against the Top 100.

I don't care if you hate Tom Crean, cream and crimson, John Cougar Mellencamp and Norman Dale -- I don't even care if you're a Purdue fan -- there's no reasonable way to keep Indiana off a Top 25 ballot. It stupid. It makes no sense.

But you know what makes less sense?

The fact that Jason had Indiana ranked 22nd last week.

Seriously.

Jason had Indiana ranked 22nd last week. Then he watched Indiana beat Michigan State and Purdue to move from 22-7 to 24-7. Then he dropped the Hoosiers straight off his ballot. I'm just gonna assume that's an oversight. Has to be, right? Otherwise, man, I don't know.

Coaches poll: It's clearly just a coach throwing an off-the-radar program a bone, so I don't really mind it much. Honestly, I don't mind it all. But Montana getting a vote in the coaches poll is a little silly. Yes, the Grizzlies are the Big Sky's regular-season champions, and their 10-game winning streak has moved their record to 23-6. But they're 2-3 against the Top 100 with three losses outside the Top 130, and that's just not a rankable resume. Again, it neither matters much nor bothers me much. But that doesn't make it any less wrong.

Comments

Since: Nov 26, 2008
Posted on: March 6, 2012 1:16 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

After the drubbing Duke took at home at the hands of UNC with the ACC regular season championship on the line, Duke should just barely be in the top 10. Don't quite understand the love affair media members have with DU, can you say Dick Vitale?



Since: Sep 27, 2011
Posted on: March 6, 2012 1:08 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

The problem I'm having with your comment is you're saying that they beat three top 10 teams, own a 24-7 record, beat at least two likely at-large teams on the road, and they don't deserve to be ranked in the top 25 because their three top 10 wins were...at home?  That seems to be a pretty sever severe statement.  Not top 15, I can  understand.  Not necessarily agree, but understand.  But there are teams with much worse resumes than IU in the top 25.  Even some of the ones with better resumes don't have wins over 3 top 10 teams in any venue.



Since: Jan 19, 2010
Posted on: March 6, 2012 1:02 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

I couldn't agree with you more, is this all Parrish can write about? 1 voter that clearly just made a mistake. No way he ranks them 22 and then drops them for 2 wins of that caliber. Talk about something meaningful JP.



Since: Mar 6, 2012
Posted on: March 6, 2012 12:57 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

OK Gary.  I read this most weeks and enjoy your
insight.  But I have to question your own poll.

How can you have Louisville ranked in the top 25?
They started the season 12-0 with only one quality
win against Vanderbilt.  Since then they have gone
10-9.  Their Big East wins are against teams with
a combined record of 123-121.  Barely above 500.
They have no wins against any team in the current
top 25 (and one).  Surely you can find somebody
more deserving?  Is the Pitino factor that strong?



Since: Mar 6, 2012
Posted on: March 6, 2012 12:50 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

Indiana is a nice story and that is about it. They did not beat a top 25 team all year away from home. In addtion, they only beat one top 50 team in what you would consider a true road game. They only beat Penn st, NC state, Purdue and Minnesota on the road. None of these teams were really good this year. It is time to relize that the Big Ten has two good teams and a handful of okay teams. They are deep true but they do not have 5 great teams. IU is in the middle of the pack of a good confernce. I can see why some may not think they are top 25. To bad the tournement is not in Bloomington.  I can pick 25 teams that have a great shot at going further in the tournement.




Since: Dec 27, 2011
Posted on: March 6, 2012 12:09 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

At this point in the season I don't care who ranks us where. It's tournament time baby, time to put up or shut up! Looking forward to my Hoosiers winning the Big 10 tournament and making some noise in the Big Dance!



Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: March 6, 2012 11:51 am
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

"It stupid". Must be an oversight as well. Why does any of this matter? Are you holier than though. Find something else to do with your time. I know I will.



Since: Nov 1, 2011
Posted on: March 6, 2012 11:16 am
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

As a die-hard UK fan my whole life and growing up in Indiana, I have grown to despise them and most of their fans.  That being said, I have watched them play several times this year and anyone who doesn't list them in the top 25 should have to get MORON tattooed on their forehead and be hit in the face with a Louisville Slugger.  They have some quality wins and Crean has gotten IU back in mix of college basketball where they belong.  I'm glad they are no longer a doormat for D1 schools.  Good job Crean!



Since: Nov 25, 2007
Posted on: March 6, 2012 10:16 am
 

And Dodd is pointing fingers at the coaches...?

I agree, Gary.  How do some of these people come-up with their votes?  How is it that some of them are even vting, at all?  That's why I'd rather have coaches (people who KNOW what they are talking about) do the voting in these polls.  Not that coaches are perfect, obviously they are not; but at least they are true experts at what they are voting on.  Some of these writers don't have a clue. 



Since: Jan 9, 2007
Posted on: March 6, 2012 12:23 am
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

I like the Self serving kind of vote.  Take Tom Keegan, one of only two voters who placed Missouri all the way down at number 8 on their ballot.  Doesn't come as surprise though as Tom writes for the Lawrence Journal World (Newspaper) in Lawrence, Kansas.  Go Jayhawks, right Tom?


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