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The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

Posted on: March 5, 2012 8:04 pm
Edited on: March 5, 2012 8:10 pm
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By Gary Parrish

Tom Crean cost himself an AP vote by beating Michigan State and Purdue.

I know that sounds crazy.

But it's true and the focus of the Poll Attacks.

Associated Press poll: I've been on this Indiana thing for a few weeks because I don't understand how presumed intelligent reporters could watch basketball and/or look at bodies of work of basketball teams and conclude the Hoosiers didn't deserve to be ranked. I had to jump the 15 voters who didn't rank IU two Mondays ago, and that number dwindled to seven last week. It was better, obviously. But seven voters were still wrong.

Now?

Now only one voter is still wrong.

It's Jason Franchuk from the Provo Daily Herald.

He somehow decided to omit Indiana from his ballot even though the Hoosiers are:
  • 24-7 overall.
  • on a four-game winning streak.
  • the owners of wins over No. 1 Kentucky, No. 7 Ohio State and No. 8 Michigan State.
  • ranked 10th at KenPom.com and 12th at CollegeRPI.com.
  • 8-4 against the Top 50 and 11-5 against the Top 100.

I don't care if you hate Tom Crean, cream and crimson, John Cougar Mellencamp and Norman Dale -- I don't even care if you're a Purdue fan -- there's no reasonable way to keep Indiana off a Top 25 ballot. It stupid. It makes no sense.

But you know what makes less sense?

The fact that Jason had Indiana ranked 22nd last week.

Seriously.

Jason had Indiana ranked 22nd last week. Then he watched Indiana beat Michigan State and Purdue to move from 22-7 to 24-7. Then he dropped the Hoosiers straight off his ballot. I'm just gonna assume that's an oversight. Has to be, right? Otherwise, man, I don't know.

Coaches poll: It's clearly just a coach throwing an off-the-radar program a bone, so I don't really mind it much. Honestly, I don't mind it all. But Montana getting a vote in the coaches poll is a little silly. Yes, the Grizzlies are the Big Sky's regular-season champions, and their 10-game winning streak has moved their record to 23-6. But they're 2-3 against the Top 100 with three losses outside the Top 130, and that's just not a rankable resume. Again, it neither matters much nor bothers me much. But that doesn't make it any less wrong.

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Since: Jan 2, 2007
Posted on: March 6, 2012 9:41 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

What exactly is UK's "Dirty Past"
Well, the logical question should be how far back do you want to go?

To be fair, just about every program in the country that has won anything has violated minor rules -- many times without anything happening to the program.  I don't think anybody who posts on these boards and roots for any major college program can point a finger and act like their program is above it all.  ALL of our programs have had minor violations.

However, if I were a Kentucky basketball fan, I don't think I would point the finger anywhere else other than Lexington.  While I respect the fervent fanaticism of Wildcat nation, there are times they put the blinders on and forget a lot of their history.  hoekee11, I wonder if you are one of those with the blinders on.

UK's basketball program was the first program in NCAA history to receive the legendary death penalty.  Because of a major point-shaving scandal involving the program, the 1952-53 season was all but wiped out.  Three UK players were eventually banned from playing in the NBA because of their contact with gamblers, shaving points in NIT Tournament games, and lying during court proceedings.

Then we've got the cash payments to recruits under Eddie Sutton during the 1980s.  The NCAA "discovered" (mostly through public admissions of former players and recruits) that upwards of 30 Kentucky players and recruits were given outright cash payments to play ball in Lexington.  Sutton was forced to resign and one of his assistants was banned for five years from coaching in the NCAA.  Scholarships were taken away from the program and when the exodus of players started (Shawn Kemp, Rex Chapman, LeRon Ellis) the program was left with minimal talent and a lack of scholarships to replace the talent.

I know, I know... my Blue Devils are not above having recruits do stupid things (Corey Maggette, I'm looking at you) and, for the most part, Coach K has gotten off scott-free.  The only reason I posted this was because the original knucklehead didn't appear to have a clue about the history of the mighty UK program.  Sorry, had to be done. 



Since: Mar 6, 2012
Posted on: March 6, 2012 6:59 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

Read the entire article at

From Coach Calipari:

As most of you are now aware, I don’t believe in the one-and-done rule. I don’t think it’s in the best interest of the student-athletes, the NCAA or the NBA. I personally think kids should have to stay two or three years.

On Monday, speaking on a teleconference with our league’s media, I told reporters I supported one of my kid’s decision to stay in school so long as he thought through his decision and had a good reason. Since then, it’s come to my understanding that people are now portraying this program as a one-and-done factory, that we allow players to come here for one year and then move them on to the NBA.

Big Blue Nation, that couldn’t be more wrong.

We have the highest Academic Progress Rate in the Southeastern Conference. We’ve graduated the seniors that have stayed and gone through the program. On Thursday, Darius Miller and Eloy Vargas will celebrate Senior Night, and later this semester, they’ll walk across that stage – on time – with a degree in their hands.

But every kid is on a different timetable, and when I coach young people, it’s not about me. It’s about them. We’re not doing anything that’s unethical, illegal, immoral or against any rules. There is a rule that needs to be changed, and if that rule doesn’t change, my only two options are recruiting players that aren’t good enough or convincing young people to put their dreams aside because the university and our basketball program are more important than their dreams.

Which would you rather me do?




Since: Mar 6, 2012
Posted on: March 6, 2012 6:49 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

What exactly is UK's "Dirty Past"?



Since: Mar 6, 2012
Posted on: March 6, 2012 6:46 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

turtle, turtle, turtle....

TCU is 17-13.  7-7 in the Mountain West finishing behind
the likes of Colorado State.  Is TCU supposed to be a quality
loss for UVA?  Seriously, what are you trying to say with the
TCU loss?  Was the 12 point loss to Clemson a quality loss?
What about the loss to Virginia Tech?  As a Hokie fan I can
tell you, that was not a quality loss for UVA.



Since: May 28, 2009
Posted on: March 6, 2012 6:38 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

Hey, take your blinders off there... No way a person in their right mind can overlook the type of season IU has had. It is unfortunate that Calipari doesn't realize NCAA basketball is NOT a feeder system for the NBA. To be having so many players one and done at UK and Calipari seemingly FORCING players out even if they WANT to stay, that has got to say something...UK won't win this year because there are a lot of teams just poised to pull a 12/10 on them. Just didn't happen in the SEC because it has to be the most watered down of the major conferences, which says a lot about the talent base in the SEC. Only a matter of time before UK's dirty past catches up with them...



Since: Mar 6, 2012
Posted on: March 6, 2012 3:12 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

Turtle, UVA did only lose by 3 the 2nd time they played Carolina, but the first time Carolina won 70-52, so not quite a 1 point loss. Not sure how great it is to also state they only lost to TCU by 2 considering TCU lost to Norfolk State, Ole Miss, Nebraska, and SoCal. I'm an ACC guy and think that UVA has done plenty to be in the big dance, but saying they deserve to be at the same level as Michigan off of a November head to head win is a bit of a stretch seeing as Michigan tied for first in the B10 and UVA finished with seven losses in a watered down ACC.



Since: Apr 6, 2007
Posted on: March 6, 2012 2:25 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

Cut the guy some slack. He obviously made a mistake. I can't stand IU but to not have them ranked has to be a mistake. They have some quality wins this year but since they can't play the tournament at home they should be making an early exit. Their tournament timeframe is going to resemble the thoughts they post on all of the KY boards about our recruits............1 and done! Sorry Hoosiers, your March Madness happened Dec 10th. Maybe next year.



Since: Nov 18, 2011
Posted on: March 6, 2012 2:25 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

Gary:
    Write why you left VIRGINA off your top 25 and 1.

2 losses to UNC 1 by 3
1 loss to duke by 3
2 losses to fla st  by 1 and 3
1 loss to tcu by 2

THEY BEAT MICH BY 12   and have  SAME RECORD

OK COME ON GARY WE"S WAITING  >>>YOU GOT MICH 10   AND VIRGINA UNRANKED SAME RECORD  HMMMMMMMMMMMMM



Since: Mar 6, 2012
Posted on: March 6, 2012 1:57 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

Couldn't have said it any better! It's tournament time and IU is alive and well!!!! Now that the Conf. is nearly over "RULE on the Road!!!" GO HOOSIERS!!!



Since: May 11, 2007
Posted on: March 6, 2012 1:35 pm
 

The Poll Attacks: Voter drops IU after two wins

Jason no doubt made an unintentional mistake leaving Indiana unranked but what do you have to say about the 5 AP voters who left  #18 SDSU Aztecs unranked?  How about intentionally biased.


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