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The Shea Weber arbitration numbers

Posted on: August 2, 2011 8:21 pm
Edited on: August 2, 2011 8:51 pm
 
SheaWeberArbitrationNumbers

By: Adam Gretz

After they were unable to work out a new contract the Nashville Predators and their captain, Shea Weber, went through the arbitration process on Tuesday morning. While we won't know the ruling until Thursday morning at the latest (the arbiter has 48 hours to decide), we do have an idea as to what numbers the two sides went in with.

According to TSN's Darren Dreger, Weber requested a one-year salary of $8.5 million, while the Predators presented an offer of $4.75 million. The arbiter can choose any number between those two figures.

Weber, who turns 26 in a couple of weeks, is coming off his second consecutive 16-goal season from the blueline. He's managed to score at least 16 goals in four of the past five years, and only appeared in 54 games the one season he didn't reach that mark. He has a booming slap shot and pretty much every trait a team looks for in a franchise defenseman, and can still get better.

The salary figure he requested is a definitely significant one.

He earned $4.5 million last season in what was the final year of a three-year contract he signed in 2008. If by some chance he were to be rewarded $8.5 million -- and that is unlikely -- it would be the fourth largest cap hit in the league next season, traiiling only Alex Ovehckin, Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin. It would also be the largest cap hit among defenseman. As far as the base salary is concerned, it would be tied with Boston's Zdeno Chara as the eighth largest in the NHL, and tied for second among defenseman, trailing only the $10 million in base salary Buffalo's Christian Erhoff is set to make.

But that's if he gets that amount, and that's unlikely to happen. Just as it's unlikely that Nashville doesn't really feel its captain, best player, and one of the best players in the league at his position is only worth a slight raise over last year's salary. As Jeremy Gover at Section 303 pointed out, this is simply Nashville's way of keeping the 2011 salary at a more manageable figure since the arbiter typically picks a number between the two proposals. By shooting lower, it's likely the Predators, a team that doesn't exactly have a bottomless pit of funds at its disposal, can get a more atrractive deal for the upcoming season.

They know Weber is worth more than that -- and will get more than that -- just like Weber knows he's not going to walk away as one of the ten highest paid players in the NHL. At least not for another couple of years.

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Since: Dec 2, 2011
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Since: Jul 1, 2010
Posted on: August 3, 2011 6:36 pm
 

The Shea Weber arbitration numbers

Aren't you a little surprised the NHLPA hasn't at least attempted to go after the NHL ?  It's almost like they've accepted what appears to be obvious collusion amongst the owners.  I find that very odd since unions don't normally put up with that kinda stuff.
Almost surprised, but they've been such a mess since the early 90s.   After they grossly overestimated their position and the NHL's position before, during, and after the last lockout, it's pretty obvious that they split into little factions.     Still too many guys that are bitter about the Europeans taking roster spots from n. Americans and Europeans bitter at those personalities.    Mid and low level players mad that the cap favors paying top line guys a disproportionate percentage, but they don't want to rock the boat.    Nobody has a grasp of the revenue projections and the agents aren't even on the same page in how they represent their clients.    The owners are going to own this CBA imo, and  the players can't even unite behind a rule change or prospective rule change.   They don't trust each other and are generally scared of missing paychecks and having to move for a job again.   It's a shame, we'll see what happens.    The NBA situation only makes the owners' position stronger unfortunately.  

I look forward to your thoughts on the topic as the year moves on.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: August 3, 2011 3:45 pm
 

The Shea Weber arbitration numbers

I am following this only in that this will set the bar for Drew Doughty and the Kings

There's a perfect example of the collusion going on in the NHL regarding RFA's.  Anybody can sign Doughty to a deal and force the Kings to try and match the offer.  There is no arbitration...... Doughty is an unbelievable player as well.  But not one offer.... hummmmmmmmm



Since: Sep 11, 2007
Posted on: August 3, 2011 3:09 pm
 

The Shea Weber arbitration numbers

I am following this only in that this will set the bar for Drew Doughty and the Kings.  I can't see an arbitrator going 8.5 mil but then stranger things have happened.



Since: Mar 26, 2011
Posted on: August 3, 2011 2:26 pm
 

The Shea Weber arbitration numbers

1969: Yea, Holland and DL both don't like offer sheets. Too bad. Yep, the Wings could take Weber if they wanted as a Class B (but not worth it as a Class A) UFA.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: August 3, 2011 11:50 am
 

The Shea Weber arbitration numbers

Yeah, the "unwritten" rule is a bit ridiculous and the compensation is a little too prohibitive imo, I hope the compensation is lessened a little bit the next CBA to encourage a little more participation from other teams.

The compensation is a little steep but in cases like this fair in my opinion. If I was gm of the Wings I"d give up 2 firsts, a 2nd and a 3rd for Weber in a heartbeat.   That being said maybe if I was a gm of a team that just ended up in the lottery maybe I'd think twice.   But, if they do what you suggested and lower the compensation it may allow all teams to participate and at the very least look into signing RFA's.

Hockeybob. Question for you.  Aren't you a little surprised the NHLPA hasn't at least attempted to go after the NHL ?  It's almost like they've accepted what appears to be obvious collusion amongst the owners.  I find that very odd since unions don't normally put up with that kinda stuff.



Since: Oct 16, 2007
Posted on: August 3, 2011 10:47 am
 

The Shea Weber arbitration numbers

This whole arbitration thing is flawed the way the league does it anyway.The player should submit one figure, and the team should submit one figure and the Arbitrator should have to select one or the other and it would become binding.None of this " we'll meet somewhere in the middle I guess" This way each party has to show what they REALLY feel the player is worth. Sort of an "all in" type of scenario



Since: Jul 1, 2010
Posted on: August 3, 2011 9:13 am
 

The Shea Weber arbitration numbers

But once again that stupid "rule" exists that says no way, you can't touch a guy like Weber... too bad though because he would have looked great in a Wings uniform.
Yeah, the "unwritten" rule is a bit ridiculous and the compensation is a little too prohibitive imo, I hope the compensation is lessened a little bit the next CBA to encourage a little more participation from other teams.    I'm still not convinced that Doug Wilson's offer to Hjalmarsson last year wasn't partly a "up yours" to the Blackhawks front office for shoving his buddy Dale Tallon out of the way, and we know how the Penner offer was received.   However, I think the continuity with young studs staying with the same team for an extra year or two is better for the game than the alternative.    I definately don't mind Weber playing somewhere besides Detroit.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: August 3, 2011 1:29 am
 

The Shea Weber arbitration numbers

A 4 million dollar gap?    Those negotiations can't be good for laying the groundwork on a longterm deal, both sides have to hammer each other in front of the arbitor.    I wonder how much was addressed before the hearing and what the REAL gap was in the contracts both sides wanted.  

I doubt very much Shea Weber after all this will sign a long term deal with the Predators.  He only has 2 more seasons to go and then becomes and UFA.  Considering the odds of Nashville winning a cup are very slim, why would Weber even want a long term deal?  And after all the bickering, the huge gap in negotiations and slamming each other in arbitration I can't imagine he'll want to stay there. 

I hate that unwritten rule gm's in the NHL follow.  The rule that basically states you don't go after superstar RFA's.  I know that rule exists or gm's wouldn't be nearly as hesitant to give up some draft picks for a kid as good as Weber is and for what he's about to become.

My favourite team the Wings could always use help in the back end and when Lidstrom retires in a year or two max could desperately use a guy like Shea Weber to lead the way for years to come.  Why wouldn't Kenny Holland who has cap space and can easily create another 3 million dollars of space if he wanted to go after Weber?  He could have offered Weber a monster long term deal for 7 million per season and used some of Ilitch's money to expose the NHL's loophole front loading the deal and made sure Nashville doesn't match it.  A nice 10 year deal for 70 million with 30 million payable the first 3 seasons would have meant Nashville in the market they are in would have big problems matching that offer.  The compensation would have been 2 first round picks, 1 second and 1 3rd.  The Wings trade most of their first round picks anyway so no loss there.

But once again that stupid "rule" exists that says no way, you can't touch a guy like Weber... too bad though because he would have looked great in a Wings uniform.



Since: Jun 19, 2011
Posted on: August 2, 2011 10:30 pm
 

The Shea Weber arbitration numbers

The Preds came in with a offer half of what Weber asks because when the player is actually worth what he wants the arbitor gives the player half way in between the offer and the request. Its not a slap in the face its how they do business the Preds know he will get 6 mill at least from them.



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