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Bruins' McQuaid avoids suspension for kneeing

Posted on: December 15, 2011 3:48 pm
Edited on: December 15, 2011 5:48 pm
 

By Brian Stubits

Adam McQuaid of the Boston Bruins was given a five-minute major and game misconduct in the Bruins' win in Ottawa on Wednesday for kneeing Nick Foligno.

Immediately people wondered what sort of additional punishment McQuaid Would face for the hit. It had to be coming from Brendan Shanahan, right? The hit sure looked pretty similar to Kevin Porter's kneeing of David Booth, which earned Porter a four-game suspension.

Well McQuaid won't be suspended, but it was announced by the NHL on Thursday that he has been fined $2,500.

After the game, McQuaid wanted it known that it wasn't intentional and he's a clean player (from CSN New England).

“If I could take it back, I definitely would,” said McQuaid, who blocked a pair of shots and registered three hits in. “It was one of those things where you go, ‘Oh, crap’, right after it happened.

"The penalty was deserved. That’s not me at all. I think that’s actually my first major penalty in my career outside of the fighting calls, and I don’t plan on getting any more.”

Foligno, who wasn't badly injured from the hit and did return to the game, stood up for McQuaid after the game. The two have a history with each other stretching back to their days in juniors.

"He was just trying to slow down my progress. It was a hockey play and I don't think there was any attempt to injure," Foligno said. "I've known Quaider a long time and I know he's not that type of player."

I must say, I'm surprised at the ruling. Even with a contrite McQuaid and an uninjured Foligno, I thought this would warrant something from Shanahan. I didn't expect it to be as tough as the suspension Porter received, but I thought it would be at least one game for McQuaid. It was a bad play.

I find judging the intent of the players to be a very tough and horribly mitigating factor. While I would tend to agree that McQuaid didn't intend to injure Foligno, I also don't think most all of the bad hits that are delivered are done with the intent to injure. Most of the players I have spoken to about this all talk about respect they have for their fellow players and they never want to see a guy go down injured.

People are punished all the time for the results of their actions and not their intent. When a person who has too much to drink gets behind the wheel and causes an accident, they will face the consequences of driving drunk even though their intention was likely just to get to where they were going.

I'll turn it over to you. Was this the right call or not?

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Comments

Since: Sep 11, 2006
Posted on: December 20, 2011 7:23 pm
 

Bruins' McQuaid avoids suspension for kneeing

Patsfan.  I think the problem is the NHL and Shanahan are trying to play God and pretend to know when "intent" is there or when it's just an accident..  In reality they need to get rid of dangerous plays or don't get rid of them at all.   Like McQaid's incident..... he very clearly stuck out his leg at another player causing what can be a very dangerous knee to knee hit on a defenseless opponent.  Whether we think it was intentional or not should mean absolutely nothing.  The only thing that matters is it was careless and could have been very dangerous and could have caused a very serious knee injury affecting somebody's career.

Do I think McQauid meant to hurt Foligno? No.  But I only think that because those 2 players appear to be friends.  The problem is when you don't suspend McQauid, how do you suspend Pacioretty or however you spell his name if he does that to Chara who we know he hates?  Can't he also say it was just instinct with no intent to injure?  How can the NHL ever suspend anybody for sticking their leg out and causing knee to knee hits if they let McQuaid's go?

That's my problem... you really can't. You can't let one go and suspend another just because they are repeat offenders or just because you know there was a history between those 2 players.  The problem is I say you can't, but the NHL does it all the time.  They base way too much on reputation.  I'm willing to bet 500 bucks if Matt Cooke sticks his leg out at another player and causes knee to knee contact and an injury Cooke is is screwed... just like Tootoo was screwed... reputation is everything.... to me, that's wrong.


I pretty much agree. in some cases intent is fairly easy to figure out while in most it is not and the only person who knows the intent is the person committing the act. On the fkip side while guys like Cooke may do something accidental and not have any bad intent I still think they should be nailed harder than someone who has no previous offenses. I do think that the punishments need to be even across the board but I am all for  harsher sentences for those that keep offending. Granted you would have to wipe the slate clean  and start everyone fresh but thats they way it would have to be done. Fact is though Shanny and the NHL are in a no win situation. They will piss off alot of people no matter what they do.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 20, 2011 11:58 am
 

Bruins' McQuaid avoids suspension for kneeing

Patsfan.  I think the problem is the NHL and Shanahan are trying to play God and pretend to know when "intent" is there or when it's just an accident..  In reality they need to get rid of dangerous plays or don't get rid of them at all.   Like McQaid's incident..... he very clearly stuck out his leg at another player causing what can be a very dangerous knee to knee hit on a defenseless opponent.  Whether we think it was intentional or not should mean absolutely nothing.  The only thing that matters is it was careless and could have been very dangerous and could have caused a very serious knee injury affecting somebody's career.

Do I think McQauid meant to hurt Foligno? No.  But I only think that because those 2 players appear to be friends.  The problem is when you don't suspend McQauid, how do you suspend Pacioretty or however you spell his name if he does that to Chara who we know he hates?  Can't he also say it was just instinct with no intent to injure?  How can the NHL ever suspend anybody for sticking their leg out and causing knee to knee hits if they let McQuaid's go?

That's my problem... you really can't. You can't let one go and suspend another just because they are repeat offenders or just because you know there was a history between those 2 players.  The problem is I say you can't, but the NHL does it all the time.  They base way too much on reputation.  I'm willing to bet 500 bucks if Matt Cooke sticks his leg out at another player and causes knee to knee contact and an injury Cooke is is screwed... just like Tootoo was screwed... reputation is everything.... to me, that's wrong.   



Since: Sep 11, 2006
Posted on: December 20, 2011 10:35 am
 

Bruins' McQuaid avoids suspension for kneeing

@redwings-I do understand what you are saying. I think my problem is the rule itself. I know what the GM said and I have to think that while their intent is to protect goalies the spirit of the rule is not what is being used. By the letter of the law Lucic could have been suspended and Like I said, if he had got 1 game I would have understood. Also by the wording of the rule he could have gotten exactly what he did,a penalty.  I agree 100% that a goalie should not be able to out that far and play the puck and have the right to initiate a hit and not be able to be nailed himself, that is just crazy but thats the rules. As far as Marchand I have not got to see enough Bruins games the past 2 years to really tell if he is a dirty player or an edgy one.  The games I have managed to watch he has been the latter. A guy who will aggravate you to no end with little chppy shots that are penalties but not suspension worthy. I guess that is what I get for living in the midwest now and being too damn cheap to pay for NHL Center ice.  I do disagree on the Tootoo hit but think 1 game would have sufficed.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 19, 2011 12:43 pm
 

Bruins' McQuaid avoids suspension for kneeing

Interperting the rules the way you do a goalie could skate out and no one could ever stop him if he had the puck.

It's not the way I'm interpreting anything, the Boston Bruin's GM agrees with me and not the Boston fans on these boards.  Just because he didn't get suspended for that hit doesn't make it legal.....

As Boston's GM publicly stated right after the hit and for a second time after the GM's meetings he attended, goaltenders are not "fair game" and it's up to the skater to avoid hitting the goalie if at all possible.  You admit Lucic could have probably avoided the hit so that's exactly where it ends.  It's not up to the goalie to move out the way, it's up to the skater.  Nobody ever said a skater can't stop a goalie when he comes out, he can use his stick to get the puck but he's just not supposed to run him over, especially at a high speed.

That being said maybe you're misunderstanding what I'm trying to say or what my beliefs are when it comes to things like this.  To be totally honest I believe a goalie shouldn't even be allowed to play the puck that far away from his crease without the risk of being run over.  I believe if they are going to call back goals because a skater is in the crease or call interference penalties or even suspend players for running goalies in their crease it's not fair that goalies can skate out as far as they want and the NHL demands a player does everything possible to avoid hitting them.

BUT.... that's NOT the rule in the NHL.  Like I said even Boston's GM very clearly states that goalies are not fair game and it's the job of the skater to try and avoid contact whenever possible.  And once again you actually admit that Lucic COULD have most likely moved and avoided contact.  But he didn't......  where my confusion lies is since that is clearly what Shanahan and the NHL have agreed to enforce how did Lucic avoid a suspension?

I still believe the ONLY reason Tootoo got suspended is because behind the scenes at the GM meetings people made it very clear to Shanny that he screwed up by not suspending Lucic.  Yes, Tootoo had no business in the crease but Tootoo didn't hurt anybody, he was pushed a little and didn't go directly at the goalie.  No way in hell Tootoo deserved 2 games for that.... and keep in my I don't like Tootoo at all, I think he's a punk and a dirty player.  But had he done that a week or two sooner, he wouldn't have even missed one game let alone been suspended for two.  

As for the "conspiracy", I have no idea.  Actually I don't remember saying there was a conspiracy but maybe what I said implied that was my belief?  I will say this though, the Bruins have been extremely lucky and I have no idea how they've avoided the odd suspension.   Marchand got a fine only and no suspension?  I'd have to do some research on that but I betcha that's pretty rare in the NHL.... like it almost never happens.  Knee to knee hits, slew foots, hits on goalies, hits from behind.....  I don't know man.  It's really weird and I have no answers.  



Since: Sep 11, 2006
Posted on: December 18, 2011 7:45 pm
 

Bruins' McQuaid avoids suspension for kneeing

I just watched the Lucic boarding on Rinaldo. Seemed like a penalty for sure. Could not get a good slow-mo replay closeup to tell just how bad it was. That being said if I had to judge from what I could see at full speed it could be worthy of a 1 game ban. I am going to keep hunting around and see if I find a better view though.



Since: Sep 11, 2006
Posted on: December 18, 2011 2:56 pm
 

Bruins' McQuaid avoids suspension for kneeing

Patsfan.  Do you honestly think the Lucic thought for even one second he was going to get to the puck before Miller? Do you honestly believe that Lucic even made an effort to avoid Miller?  C'mon man......  I think you're one of the very few people on these boards that normally look at things objectively, but in this case I think you're not looking at things properly.   As for Tootoo, if he wanted to kill Miller he could have but didn't go right at him... he got pushed as well so he could have used that as an excuse in his argument.  By the way I hate Tootoo and I think Lucic is a great player but for Tootoo to get 2 games and Lucic nothing doesn't make sense.

If they are trying to protect goalies, Lucic had to get at least one game there.... that's all I'm saying.



I think he thought he may get the puck at first. Then he probably thought he could pressure Miller. Didnt work and yes I think he could have moved, I also think Miller tried to hit Lucic. If Lucic had gotten 1 game I wouldnt have minded but I am fine with the call. I also think Miller could have gotten a 5 minute major and suspension for that nasty slash at Lucic and got zero for it. As far as the Tootoo hit. There was no reason at all for him to be in the crease. He had lost the puck and might have gotten it back if he had gone behind the net.  It probably doesnt help matters for me that Miller bitched like a whiny ass kid after the Lucic hit. "Oh poor me, I went at a guy 50lbs heavier than me and got my ass handed to me". So all in all yes Lucic could have moved,but Miller did not have to try to initiate the hit also.



Since: Sep 11, 2006
Posted on: December 18, 2011 2:48 pm
 

Bruins' McQuaid avoids suspension for kneeing

Please......... Miller didn't initiate a hit with a forward.  He left his crease to legally play the puck, that's all.  Lucic's job at that point was to do everything possible to avoid hitting Miller but instead he followed through and smoked him.   C'mon.....


Sorry but you are way off there. Miller lowered his shoulder a bit to hit Lucic first. Things is ye Lucic could have moved but so could Miller. Interperting the rules the way you do a goalie could skate out and no one could ever stop him if he had the puck.  As far as Lucic's hit yesterday I have not seen it. I was at work and missed the game. I will try to look it up today. I know we disagree on the Lucic-Miller play but I noticed that neither you nor anyone else who thinks the NHL has a conspiracy to help the Bruins has an answer to my question. Why? I am waiting for a decent response, I have thought about and cannot think of one myself.




Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 17, 2011 10:39 pm
 

Bruins' McQuaid avoids suspension for kneeing

Miller was in the crease on that play, not skating towards the puck and initiating a hit on a forward. 

Please......... Miller didn't initiate a hit with a forward.  He left his crease to legally play the puck, that's all.  Lucic's job at that point was to do everything possible to avoid hitting Miller but instead he followed through and smoked him.   C'mon.....



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 17, 2011 9:30 pm
 

Bruins' McQuaid avoids suspension for kneeing

By the way, Lucic is getting stupid now.  Did you see today's hit from behind?  If he's not suspended for this one, there will be a lot more threads and discussions like this, that's for sure. 



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 17, 2011 9:25 pm
 

Bruins' McQuaid avoids suspension for kneeing

Okay just watched the Tootoo hit and you surprise me redwings. You usually make sense but not here. Miller was in the crease on that play, not skating towards the puck and initiating a hit on a forward. The announcers were right when they said he had lost the puck and there was ZERO reason to try and cut theorugh the crease without the puck. Tootoo also drove his hands through Miller.  How you can say that what Lucic did was 100 times worse when it wasnt even as bad is beyond me. I know I will get accused of being a homer for my opinion but it is that of a hockey fan, not just a Bruins fan. Otherwise I wouldnt be thinking that McQuaid needs to be suspended and I do by the way. Tootoo should have been suspended and Lucic should not have, NHL got it right.

Patsfan.  Do you honestly think the Lucic thought for even one second he was going to get to the puck before Miller? Do you honestly believe that Lucic even made an effort to avoid Miller?  C'mon man......  I think you're one of the very few people on these boards that normally look at things objectively, but in this case I think you're not looking at things properly.   As for Tootoo, if he wanted to kill Miller he could have but didn't go right at him... he got pushed as well so he could have used that as an excuse in his argument.  By the way I hate Tootoo and I think Lucic is a great player but for Tootoo to get 2 games and Lucic nothing doesn't make sense.

If they are trying to protect goalies, Lucic had to get at least one game there.... that's all I'm saying. 


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