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Video: Flames' Jones slashes Selanne in face

Posted on: February 6, 2012 11:39 pm
Edited on: February 7, 2012 10:20 am
 

By Brian Stubits

Teemu Selanne continues to amaze the league at 41 years old this season for the Anaheim Ducks. His speed hasn't slowed and neither has his scoring pace.

Calgary Flames center Blair Jones tried a new approach to slowing down Selanne in the second period of their contest on Monday night, by slashing Selanne in the face.

You don't just slash Selanne in the face and get away with it. Of course Jones was sent to the sin bin for four minutes on the double minor and he could likely be getting a little more attention from the league.

To be clear, it in no way appeared to be intentional from Jones, but he hit Selanne in the face, and he hit him pretty hard. He was clearly disgusted with himself after the play, enough to signal to me that he was repentant.

But Brendan Shanahan has shown that he will still call on guys who are reckless with their stick. Intentional or not, you have to be responsible for your stick at all times.

It was made very clear earlier this season when Minnesota Wild forward Pierre-Marc Bouchard was suspended two games for a slash that was even more obviously unintentional than the Jones-Selanne hit.

Besides, that's no way to treat a legend like Selanne.

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Comments

Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 7, 2012 4:15 pm
 

Video: Flames' Jones slashes Selanne in face

It's because it's difficult that it must NOT be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.  Shanahan looks every bit as useless and inefficient in his job as Colin Campbell before him, when he starts taking things into consideration like "perceived intent", whether someone was injured on the play, or whether the player has a history of dirty hits.  

Misterfamous, beautifully said sir.  The "perceived intent" thing is a joke because unless Shanahan can read minds there is no way of knowing what a player was thinking at the time or whether or not the player intended or planned on hurting another player.  

The reality is that a reckless hit is a reckless hit.  Draw a line, decide what is suspendable, put it in the NHL rulebook, and the disciplinary process is greatly simplified.   

I agree but that'll never happen, not in our lifetime.  Why? Because what if it's Crosby or Malkin or Datsyuk or Zetterberg or Lidstrom or Stamkos or anybody else people are willing to pay big money to see?  If it's that clear in the rule book, the league wouldn't have the option to favour that player.  That's another reason why we still see very weak 1 and 2 and 3 game suspensions, even for repeat offenders.  The league doesn't wanna create a dangerous precedent that ties their hands in a difficult situation.   If a player they don't want banned for long screws up, it's a lot easier to refer to things like "intent" when they do  close to nothing to these players.

I had an idea a long time ago that I believe would solve the NHL's problem with head shots, hits from behind into the boards, slashes to the face, etc.  My idea would practically make this problem go away overnight... And if not overnight it would happen soon enough, that's for sure.  But once again, my idea would never go through because the league takes a risk the wrong people get suspended for way too long.  Ticket sales drop, tv ratings decrease, etc.

1) First offense - 20 games

2) Second offense - 40 games

3) Third offense  - 82 games, full season.

4) Fourth offense - banned from league, go work at McDonalds or Taco Bell.

Too harsh? Too bad !!!!   The only thing today's players care about is MONEY !!!  Hit them where it counts and you'll never have to worry about them again.  For example Ovechkin just got suspended for a second time, would have been 40 games or over 4 million dollars out of pocket if i had my way.  Do you think Ovie would have elbowed that guy to the head if it mean a half season and over 4 million dollars?  Not a chance.   Kronwall on the Wings leaves his feet a little too often, fans on these boards complain all the time. With a new deal coming up and about 5 million a year I think, would he leave his feet and risk a suspension that's going to cost him a million or two?  Nahhhh, doubt it.

But the league doesn't want or need to get rid of head shots, they just have to pretend like they give a crap.






 



Since: Feb 16, 2007
Posted on: February 7, 2012 3:17 pm
 

Video: Flames' Jones slashes Selanne in face

You dont worry about the intent. He slashed him in the head and even thought he didnt mean too he needs to be in control of his stick at all times.

Give him 2-3 games. It happens again you give him more.

I think suspensions should be like some car insurance companies. Over time let them earn a lesser suspension if they play clean and stay out of trouble.

Should be pretty simple. Tired of certain players (usually enforcers) being watched closer than the superstars. Every player should be watched the same and called the same. Tired of seeing crappy little calls go onto enforcers but then seeing star players getting away with everything... 



Since: Oct 20, 2008
Posted on: February 7, 2012 2:34 pm
 

Video: Flames' Jones slashes Selanne in face

wrote:

So what should Shanny give Jones 1 game? 2? 3? 5? 10?  Seriously, I'm curious.  I would only give him 1 or 2 because although he clearly slashed him in the face, Selanne was not seriously injured and anybody with a clue knows that Jones did not intend to slash Teemu in the face.  But what if Teemu had suffered an eye injury and what out indefinitely?  The penalty would no doubt be more severe but the intent still wouldn't be there.  Difficult subject but one that needs to be dealt with on a case by case basis. 
It's because it's difficult that it must NOT be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.  Shanahan looks every bit as useless and inefficient in his job as Colin Campbell before him, when he starts taking things into consideration like "perceived intent", whether someone was injured on the play, or whether the player has a history of dirty hits. 

The reality is that a reckless hit is a reckless hit.  Draw a line, decide what is suspendable, put it in the NHL rulebook, and the disciplinary process is greatly simplified.  Do you really think NHL fans want to hear Shanahan diagramming every reckless hit to justify his suspensions 2-3 years from now?



Since: Apr 21, 2009
Posted on: February 7, 2012 10:30 am
 

Video: Flames' Jones slashes Selanne in face

ha ha what the hell was that all about! 



Since: Sep 28, 2010
Posted on: February 7, 2012 9:56 am
 

Video: Flames' Jones slashes Selanne in face

Obviously he intended on slashing him somewhere with a vicious 2 hander!



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 7, 2012 9:43 am
 

Video: Flames' Jones slashes Selanne in face

I would only give him 1 or 2 because although he clearly slashed him in the face, Selanne was not seriously injured and anybody with a clue knows that Jones did not intend to slash Teemu in the face.  But what if Teemu had suffered an eye injury and what out indefinitely?  The penalty would no doubt be more severe but the intent still wouldn't be there.  Difficult subject but one that needs to be dealt with on a case by case basis.  

I know what you're saying but that's the problem,  if the league wants players to be more responsible they have to punish the act, not the "intent".   Do I think Jones meant to hurt Selanne?  Based on his history, no I don't.   But how can you say "anybody with a clue" knows for sure he didn't mean to hit him in the face?  Seriously, how do we KNOW what was going on in his mind at the time?  If it's Matt Cooke, do we pretend to know there was "intent" ?   

I still say suspending a player for more games because the player he hurt is seriously injured but forgiving another player because the player he hurt only ended up getting a stitch or two creates a dangerous precedent in the NHL.  How can 2 players that do the exact same thing be treated differently?  Are we now going to use the element of luck in our decision making? 

To me it's simple... just punish and suspend the act, intentional or not I don't care.  And once again remember something here, that was a pretty hard slash man.  Jones meant to slash Selanne pretty hard..... that was definitely his "intent".  



Since: Mar 19, 2009
Posted on: February 7, 2012 1:48 am
 

Video: Flames' Jones slashes Selanne in face

So what should Shanny give Jones 1 game? 2? 3? 5? 10?  Seriously, I'm curious.  I would only give him 1 or 2 because although he clearly slashed him in the face, Selanne was not seriously injured and anybody with a clue knows that Jones did not intend to slash Teemu in the face.  But what if Teemu had suffered an eye injury and what out indefinitely?  The penalty would no doubt be more severe but the intent still wouldn't be there.  Difficult subject but one that needs to be dealt with on a case by case basis. 



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 7, 2012 1:14 am
 

Video: Flames' Jones slashes Selanne in face

This is a perfect example of what I was just saying in a different thread, the NHL has to hold players responsible for their actions and put aside intent to injure or whether or not the person hurt was seriously injured.  Jones did something stupid, accidental or not I don't care.  Take care of your stick and that doesn't happen.  What if a player loses an eye from a mistake like that? Do we suspend that player for longer and take it more seriously if the next person is unlucky and hurts the player he accidentally hit in the face?

And if we're being technical here, it was intentional.  Jones had every intention of slashing Selanne, he just didn't mean to get him in the face.... that's all.  Not saying Jones is a dirty player either, just saying if the league is going to protect players then start holding them accountable for their actions. 


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