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Rinaldo has hearing for hit on Jonathan Ericsson

Posted on: February 13, 2012 10:50 am
Edited on: February 13, 2012 3:50 pm
 
By: Adam Gretz

Just a little over a week after Zac Rinaldo received a pair of fines for a trip and a late hit against the New Jersey Devils, the Flyers forward will be answering questions from the NHL once again on Monday following a charging penalty against the Detroit Red Wings on Sunday night.

The NHL has a 1 PM disciplinary hearing with Rinaldo scheduled for Monday afternoon for this hit on Jonathan Ericsson late in the first period of Detroit's 4-2 win in the game that extended their home winning streak to a record-tying 20 consecutive games.



Rinaldo received a two-minute minor for charging on the play.

Even though a hearing is scheduled that doesn't mean a suspension is guaranteed, as it could also result in a fine or warning, or perhaps even nothing at all.

That said, the fact that Rinaldo was fined twice just last week probably isn't going to help him going in.

Previously at Eye On Hockey

Rinaldo fined for trip, late hit
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Since: Feb 3, 2011
Posted on: February 14, 2012 2:24 pm
 

Rinaldo has hearing for hit on Jonathan Ericsson

I've looked at the replay several time in slow-motion, and the only reason why his skates left the ground was the momentum shift his body had with his skates coming to a standstill, it causes the body to lurch and the skates come off the ground.  Again, this happens often in the NHL with big hits.
Yeah, I'd agree with that. People are quick to cry "Charging!" on most checks because the checker's skates usually come off the ice either as a result of the natural checking motion or as in this case with a natural stopping and inertia follow-through.

While I don't think he intentionally "launched" himself ala Ovechkin v. Michalek or Engelland v. Kruger, I think he did mistime his check and was airborne prior to the check (and not as a result of a natural checking motion, either), thus charging. Sort of like high sticking where it's not intentional but you have to have control over your stick so it's still a penalty.

I think the 2 game suspension was for his recent history. It is probably 0 or 1 games if it is a player with no or little history.

The video by Shanahan is from a better angle and more definitive. I thought it was a clean check from the video in the this story but changed my mind after I saw the Shanahan video. It's a close play. The good thing for Flyers fans is that it's no big loss.



Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: February 14, 2012 10:35 am
 

Rinaldo has hearing for hit on Jonathan Ericsson

"true, but that's not what happened.  He left his feet as a result of the hit, which happens often in the NHL. "


Sorry but if you look at the reply, he definately jumped up into the check.
I've looked at the replay several time in slow-motion, and the only reason why his skates left the ground was the momentum shift his body had with his skates coming to a standstill, it causes the body to lurch and the skates come off the ground.  Again, this happens often in the NHL with big hits.



Since: Feb 3, 2011
Posted on: February 13, 2012 10:19 pm
 

Rinaldo has hearing for hit on Jonathan Ericsson

Yep, a different angle on the video and being able to freeze it at the moment of impact instead of just hitting pause on a straight-on angle shows a different story. I agree that this was charging.

Great explanation by Shanahan, especially stating that Rinaldo was in position to deliver a clean check and saying that Ericsson has some responsibility to protect himself better.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 13, 2012 9:19 pm
 

Rinaldo has hearing for hit on Jonathan Ericsson

The one caveat with this play that is unlike any other play on the ice is that Ericsson is making a pass while traveling behind the net from one side to the other. This definitely creates a different dynamic that can be used to bolster the argument for the new rule and the onus being on Rinaldo. I still don't like it, though.

Crosby.  I just saw the video with Shanahan's explanation ( he suspended him for 2 games) and i saw something I missed the first time around.  If you look at Shanahan's video and where he freezes the video at the point of contact,  Rinaldo appears to have left his feet a little more then I originally thought.

Take a good look at the video Shanahan shows again and tell me what you think.....

By the way I still agree with you though, players need to do a much better job of keeping their head up and should take at least some responsibility for some of the injuries that occur.  The NHL doesn't care though.... they'll keep doing what they do.



Since: Feb 3, 2011
Posted on: February 13, 2012 8:55 pm
 

Rinaldo has hearing for hit on Jonathan Ericsson

Agreed, but it is a dumb rule. Rinaldo is being paid to finish his checks. If Ericsson quickly turns his head after passing and readies himself for the check like you see many many times during any game, then we aren't even talking abouit this. Pretty hard for Rinaldo to do anything else once he is committed to making a standard hockey play (checking).

The one caveat with this play that is unlike any other play on the ice is that Ericsson is making a pass while traveling behind the net from one side to the other. This definitely creates a different dynamic that can be used to bolster the argument for the new rule and the onus being on Rinaldo. I still don't like it, though.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 13, 2012 8:40 pm
 

Rinaldo has hearing for hit on Jonathan Ericsson

As for Ericsson being "vulnerable" or "defenseless", well, he sort of put himself in that position by admiring his pass and not following one of the basic tenets of hockey which is to always keep your head up / on a swivel.

Once again, I agree with almost everything you said except for one correction I need to make.  The NHL has made it clear as day that it's 100 percent the responsibility of the player doing the hitting to make sure they aren't hitting a vulnerable player, not the other way around.  If Ericsson would have suddenly bent forward and literally put himself in a vulnerable position that would be different, but that wasn't the case at all with this hit.  

I have to stress my next point ..... I'm NOT saying a player should admire his pass or be allowed to keep his head down, be irresponsible yet still be safe.  I'm saying with the new rules the NHL is protecting players more then ever before....  I'm not saying the rule is what it should be, just pointing out what the rule is, that's all.



Since: Feb 3, 2011
Posted on: February 13, 2012 8:22 pm
 

Rinaldo has hearing for hit on Jonathan Ericsson

I don't think the puck was "long gone" - players typically are allowed to "finish their check" well after the puck is gone against the boards (anywhere else on the ice it should be called interference). This is a slightly different play because while it is next to the boards, Ericsson is continuing to skate around instead of just moving a puck that has been dumped in. That being said, I still don't think it was too long after the play to be called interference.

As for Ericsson being "vulnerable" or "defenseless", well, he sort of put himself in that position by admiring his pass and not following one of the basic tenets of hockey which is to always keep your head up / on a swivel.

I don't even think this is an "old time hockey" argument. I understand the desire to protect players and reduce violent collisions which can cause concussions, but I think it is breeding a new era of players who aren't protecting themselves. As a result, from what I have seen, players are becoming lax about protecting themselves which is causing MORE violent and dangerous collisions. If Ericsson thinks a big check might be and probably will be coming just after he passes the puck, he won't be admiring it but will rather pass it to his teammate and immediately turn his head and prepare for impact.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 13, 2012 7:58 pm
 

Rinaldo has hearing for hit on Jonathan Ericsson

Agreed, but to me, that is a perfectly clean hit. For the record, I like the Wings and don't like the Flyers.

Crosby=Thebest.  In a perfect world it would be a perfect hit.  The player admired his pass, didn't keep his head up and got knocked into next week.  No head shot, no elbow, just a clean hit.  BUT.... in today's NHL it's not a clean hit at all because the puck was long gone.  The rules state if you hit a vulnerable player and the puck isn't there you get into big trouble.  That's just how it is..... 



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 13, 2012 7:37 pm
 

Rinaldo has hearing for hit on Jonathan Ericsson

They'll never go back to old time hockey, not a chance in hell.  I loved old time hockey but those days like I said are long gone, and in my opinion a change of commissioner won't do a thing.  The owners ( not just Bettman) believe the game can't grow in the states if they go back to what I call old school rules.  And I'm not just talking about fighting.... I mean, put the f***** center ice line back in play.  Let goalies play the puck.  If it's tied after 60 minutes that means the game is tied.. we don't need overtime let alone 4 on 4 and then an allstar skills competition to break the tie.  And yeah, get rid of that instigator penalty.... I don't remember anybody even ONCE knocking Yzerman or Federov or Gretzky or Lemieux head first into the boards from behind.  I struggle to remember a Matt Cooke type guy even swearing at Yzerman let alone touching him... there's a reason for that.

Rest in peace Probie !!!!!!!!!!! 



Since: Mar 1, 2011
Posted on: February 13, 2012 7:35 pm
 

Rinaldo has hearing for hit on Jonathan Ericsson

Misterfamous seems to have the most objective viewpoint on this situation.  Rinaldo does have a bad record, and that record is painfully recent.  I am sure the league gave him a standing warning from their last talk.  He was not smart enough to take that warning seriously, and he may pay the price.  As for what a dangerous hit is: besides leaving your feet to hit or raising the elbows, NHL rules stated in September say,"The onus is now going to be on the player applying the check to ensure his opponent is not in a defenseless position.  If he is the player applying the hit must avoid, or at very least minimize the contact."  I don't think anybody can say Rinaldo did that, and it was long enough for him to know the puck was gone. 


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