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Pitt, Syracuse apply to ACC, likely in on Sunday

Posted on: September 17, 2011 10:32 am
Edited on: September 18, 2011 12:14 am
 
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - Pittsburgh and Syracuse submitted letters of application to the Atlantic Coast Conference and are "likely gone" from the Big East, high ranking ACC and Big East officials told CBSSports.com.

CBSSports.com's Gary Parrish reported Saturday afternoon that the league could vote to accept the two schools as early as Sunday. On Saturday night the ACC announced it would hold a media teleconference at 9:30 a.m. Sunday. The league did not specify what the teleconference was about, but the league's presidents are expected to formally vote to admit Pitt and Syracuse Sunday morning.

It's unknown if the schools could join the ACC next season.

Here’s the latest breakdown on what to expect among the six automatic qualifying conferences.

Pittsburgh and Syracuse independently submitted letters of application to the ACC, a league source told CBSSports.com.

Florida State President Eric Barron told The Associated Press on Saturday before the Seminoles played No. 1 Oklahoma that the ACC was excited about adding to its "northern tier."

"Pittsburgh and Syracuse, who have applied, these are solid academic schools, and the ACC is a truly academic conference," Barron said. "Certainly great basketball teams, a good history of football.

"I'm sure consideration will be very fast. I'll be surprised if it's not [Sunday]."

Earlier, a Big East official told CBSSports.com: "There is no scenario where a president applies to a league and isn't admitted."

Ironically, Pittsburgh chancellor Mark Nordenberg is the chairman of the Big East's executive committee. A Big East official added: "It's sort of like the fox in the hen house."

An ACC official said its league has been contacted by 10 schools, but the official would not disclose what conferences those schools were from. 

Also, at last week’s ACC presidents meeting in Greensboro, N.C., the league’s presidents “unanimously” voted to increase the ACC’s exit fee to $20 million. This takes affect immediately. The previous exit fee amount was $12 million to $15 million.

The loss of Syracuse and Pittsburgh could be devastating to the Big East. Syracuse was a founding member and Pittsburgh has been with the league since 1982.

An ACC official also indicated Texas has "reached out" to the ACC, but any speculation that Texas is joining the ACC is "premature."

An ACC official also said there is no timeline on expansion for the league.

In July, ACC commissioner John Swofford talked about expansion with CBSSports.com.

"I don't think it's inevitable, doesn't mean it won't happen," Swofford said. "That [going to 16 teams] is not easy to do. It's a very sexy subject to write about. It's easy to write about it and make those predictions, but if they don't come true nobody remembers you made those predictions. I think in talking [to other BCS commissioners] -- all of us -- what we want to do is what's best for our conference. We had some very thorough [talks] in the past year because of last summer -- that weren't very public -- but they were very thorough. Our preference is to remain at 12 [schools], we like 12 as the number. We're not crazy about 14 or 16 [schools] because it begins to change a number of things tangibly such as scheduling and intangibly such as culture.

"But we want to remain nimble enough so if we want to look in that direction we'll be ready to do that in very short order. Twelve [teams] works. It's not to say 14 or 16 can't work, it can. I don't think [16 team conferences] is inevitable, it's possible."

A Big East official said it's "common knowledge" among league members that Pittsburgh wants to get its name out in expansion talks.

The Big East, trying to survive all the conference realignment scenarios, has reached out to Texas, Texas Tech, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa State Baylor, said a Big 12 athletic director.

“Although I was obviously very disappointed to learn the news about the ACC’s being in discussions about membership with the University of Pittsburgh and Syracuse University, I continue to believe the Big East Conference is well positioned for the future and that the events of the past 24 hours will unify our membership," Big East commissioner John Marinatto said in a statement. "We have been working steadily to solidify and strengthen the Big East  Conference and position us for our upcoming TV negotiations and I am confident that we will again emerge from this situation and remain strong."

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Since: Sep 17, 2011
Posted on: September 17, 2011 6:47 pm
 

Big East official: Pitt, Syracuse "likely gone"

It's a money thing. Don't think WVU will be in the ACC any time soon. Never been accused, nor will be, of being a UNC nor a Duke fan, but if you think Pitt will dominate ACC in bask
etball, you're an idiot. I wish the conferences would stay as they are, but that's not where the money is and football drives the money. So why stop at 14 teams? Bring on Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Lets dominate in basketball and football.



Since: Aug 17, 2006
Posted on: September 17, 2011 6:03 pm
 

Big East official: Pitt, Syracuse "likely gone"

Pods are interesting, the WAC tried it for a short time before 8 schools broke off to be the Mountain West.   How would an ACC champion be crowned with 4 pod champions, etc.   They played three games each year against the other three pod team and six games against the other 12 teams then every four years a student would get a home game against each team in the conference.  



Since: Aug 17, 2006
Posted on: September 17, 2011 5:58 pm
 

Big East official: Pitt, Syracuse "likely gone"

With 16 Team Football Conference you really have two 8 team conferences.   If they split in two they would play 7 games in their Division and only have one or maybe two games against the rest of the conference, reducing rivalary.   Who cares if Texas is in your Conference if they are in the other division, you would only play them once every 4 or 8 years. 

See more at my blog. 




Since: Dec 17, 2008
Posted on: September 17, 2011 5:55 pm
 

Big East official: Pitt, Syracuse "likely gone"

All about the money which is disgusting...seriously, no Big 12 any longer?  Hey Pitt and Cuse, did you see what happened to BC and Miami when they jumped ship...programs fell off the face of the earth.  Guess as long as the presidents are getting their loot, they don't care.



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: September 17, 2011 5:54 pm
 

Big East official: Pitt, Syracuse "likely gone"

Skyhalk, Be serious. Texas A&M is worth so much more to the SEC than Syracuse & Pitt are to the ACC. Texas comes with 2 of the top 10 tv markets in the country as well as more football history than Pitt & Syracuse. Syracuse has been awful for the last 10 years. This whole thinf is about tv money & the Texas tv markeet give the SEC a giant win, regardles of who #14 is. Don't be surprised if it is Florida State.
That's the one team they can get, maybe, but they'd have to break the gentleman's agreement if they did. Can Florida be persuaded? I don't think so, and FSU would have to go through the Gators, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama and Kentucky to get in the SEC. While FSU was invited in 1991, the SEC was different back then. Kentucky had no reason to vote no because Louisville wasn't a threat to be considered for an invitation yet. South Carolina wasn't in the league yet. Now it's substantially less likely the SEC would admit Florida State.

Someone mentioned Rutgers going into the ACC along with UConn.  If all this happens I would prefer to see Pitt, Syracuse, UConn and WVU go to the ACC.  As I stated earlier, this potential move by Pitt and Syracuse is dubious at best...but one good thing would be for these real programs getting away from the likes of Rutgers who bring little to any conference but JUCO programs, facilities, and mentalities.  Don't buy into that crap about that school bringing in the NYC media market...can't and won't happen as NYC is a pro team entity.
True, but West Virginia brings JUCO academics. Rutgers is infinitely more attractive to the ACC than West Virginia because its academics, like Syracuse's and Pittsburgh's, are on par with the other ACC institutions. Rutgers is a top 100 university, and West Virginia's not even close. Rutgers -- and Connecticut -- are both much more likely to be invited than West Virginia.

Just let me clarify one point:  It doesn't matter if a conference makes the exit fee $200 trillion dollars.  The exit fee WILL be waived and/or otherwise negotiated.  If not, an ugly and costly legal battle could ensue.  A league would have to prove in court how much it stood to lose in ACTUAL damages resulting from a team leaving a conference, and in almost every case of schools leaving, a settlement was agreed upon. 

As far as "unanimously" agreeing to an exit fee or a school leaving, we see what that is worth as the SEC was assured "unaminous" consent to let Texas A&M join, all you have to do is issue a simple paper statement withdrawing consent to nullify the whole thing.
The exit fee will be upheld, actually. The SEC's "unanimous consent" came because the Big 12 said something it had no right to say. Baylor and other schools never consented to the move. Florida State, on the other hand, voted for the increase. The exit fee will be enforced if anyone tries to leave, as it was when Virginia Tech, Miami and Boston College joined the ACC.



Since: Feb 16, 2009
Posted on: September 17, 2011 5:52 pm
 

Big East official: Pitt, Syracuse "likely gone"

Well at least BC will have a rival within 300 (OK 310) miles of them in Syracuse. BTW BC how's that ACC thing working out for you? Don't hear your name much either in basketball or football, and I see you just lost to perennial powerhouse Duke this afternoon. These conference are a joke now. They used to be based on regional rivalries, now it just about the bucks. The ACC has become nothing but a whore, trying to suck up as many team they can. Personally, I love seeing the Big East lose some team, it's way to big now as a BB conference. Good luck Pitt and Cuse, y'all.



Since: Jan 18, 2007
Posted on: September 17, 2011 5:41 pm
 

LINING UP THIS WAY FOR 2012 or 13

Break it into this idea of 'pods' or N-S divisions:

Group 1: Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Rutgers
Group 2: Connecticut, Maryland, Virginia Tech, Virginia
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Group 3: North Carolina, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest
Group 4: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami

It's almost a old BE vs ACC Challenge for the good or bad




Since: Mar 8, 2007
Posted on: September 17, 2011 5:35 pm
 

Big East official: Pitt, Syracuse "likely gone"

As a life-long Syracuse fan, this SUCKS.



Since: Nov 8, 2010
Posted on: September 17, 2011 5:33 pm
 

Big East official: Pitt, Syracuse "likely gone"

You just said your an SU alum. Hello it's all about money. FB brings in more than BB. It's all about power conf.'s now. I hate to see it too, being that I grew up in the shadows of Manley fh and the carrier Dome. But thats the way it is. They to make their move now or miss out on the piece of the pie.



Since: Nov 28, 2010
Posted on: September 17, 2011 5:33 pm
 

Big East official: Pitt, Syracuse "likely gone"

Just let me clarify one point:  It doesn't matter if a conference makes the exit fee $200 trillion dollars.  The exit fee WILL be waived and/or otherwise negotiated.  If not, an ugly and costly legal battle could ensue.  A league would have to prove in court how much it stood to lose in ACTUAL damages resulting from a team leaving a conference, and in almost every case of schools leaving, a settlement was agreed upon. 

As far as "unanimously" agreeing to an exit fee or a school leaving, we see what that is worth as the SEC was assured "unaminous" consent to let Texas A&M join, all you have to do is issue a simple paper statement withdrawing consent to nullify the whole thing.

That being said, I don't think Florida State wants to leave or SHOULD want to leave.  They're just rumors, IMO.  If Florida State wanted to be in the SEC, they would have gotten in on the ground floor in '91 when they were initially invited.  Everybody automatically thinks the SEC would aim to end the ACC by taking VT, FSU, and Miami.  It's not a competition, the SEC clearly dominates the ACC in every measurable area of football.  What the SEC would be looking for is TV markets, academic prestige, and recruiting region expansion.  I personally think we should invite TCU for purely football reasons, but they don't bring the "total" package to the table.  At any rate, I don't want the SEC expanding to begin with.  I hope Baylor keeps up it threats and the SEC doesn't expand.



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