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Navy nearly to Big East before Pitt, SU exited

Posted on: September 20, 2011 5:53 pm
Edited on: September 20, 2011 9:47 pm
Before the sudden news broke last weekend that Pittsburgh and Syracuse were leaving for the Atlantic Coast Conference, the Big East was in the final stages of acquiring Navy as a football-only member.

No official invitation was extended by the league, but both parties had extensive discussions about Navy joining the league in football only and it very well could have happened in the next couple of weeks, college football industry sources told

Besides Navy, the Big East also was targeting Air Force and league sources felt confident both schools would have been Big East members, perhaps within the next year – that is until Pitt and Syracuse announced they were leaving for the ACC.

“Navy is one of the most special things out there, prestige,” said an administrator who would benefit from Navy being in a BCS league. 

“I don't see why Air Force doesn’t fit in a BCS league,” said the same person. “Class, class, class.”

However, with the Big East’s future now in limbo, it’s uncertain if Navy and/or Air Force will remain interested in joining either a Big East without Pitt and Syracuse or a merger of leftover teams from the Big East and Big 12 conferences. That is, in fact, if the Big 12 loses Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas and Texas Tech to the Pac-12.

Navy is one of four independents with Army, Notre Dame and BYU, but doesn’t enjoy the automatic qualifying BCS access that Notre Dame does. Navy is in solid shape now with its own television deal, but with the division growing by the second between the automatic qualifying BCS leagues and non-AQ BCS leagues, Navy might feel it has better long-term security in an AQ BCS league.

“There were discussions and dialogues on a number of issues,” said an individual with knowledge of the talks between Navy and the Big East. “The question now is: what is the Big East going to look like in the future? How do they right the ship? I don’t think they even know that.”

Meanwhile, Tuesday night in New York, the league’s presidents and athletic directors from Cincinnati, UConn, Louisville, Rutgers, South Florida, TCU and West Virginia will meet with Big East commissioner John Marinatto to discuss the league’s future.

The meeting is for the league’s decision makers to gather face-to-face and see who wants to be a part of the Big East’s future.

“If they don’t want to be in the league, then they should make their intentions known and leave,” said one league official.

Also on Monday officials from Big East schools and the Big 12 schools proposed meeting Wednesday in Chicago to discuss the possible merger between the conferences. However, it was decided that meeting would that not be held because of legal issues involving both leagues.

UConn and Rutgers have been reported as possible candidates to the ACC, while West Virginia targeted the ACC or SEC, but was notified that neither league was interested.


Since: Nov 21, 2008
Posted on: September 20, 2011 10:15 pm

Navy nearly to Big East before Pitt, SU exited

The Big East should go fast after ECU and UCF. and Temple this will give them  ten members and it would be easier to pull in Kanas, K-state, Baylor, Iowa State. 14 footbal member and sixteen or so basketball teams. This would give them some solid football teams and a better than avg b-ball conference. Some time getting a hand full of dollars is better than cashing a bad check.

Since: Oct 2, 2006
Posted on: September 20, 2011 10:07 pm

I can't wait for the Big Least to loose AQ Status

Thank God it looks to be the end of the worst AQ Conference in Football.  Now we don't have to watch another undeserving team play in a BCS Bowl Game.  Have fun playing basketball, because your football conference is about to be on the same level as CUSA.

Since: Oct 17, 2007
Posted on: September 20, 2011 9:41 pm

Navy nearly to Big East before Pitt, SU exited

the fact that marinetto was courting AF and navy as football only members (to protect the integrity of providence basketball i guess) is a prime example of the failed leadership and inevitable demise of the conference. his legacy will be that of abject failure and if he had any honor he'd brake out the hemlock

Since: Mar 23, 2007
Posted on: September 20, 2011 9:11 pm

Navy nearly to Big East before Pitt, SU exited

UCF is not "out recruiting" USF.  Certainly not this year.

Since: Sep 20, 2011
Posted on: September 20, 2011 9:00 pm

Navy nearly to Big East before Pitt, SU exited

The significance of the ACC raising the exit fee is that each of the schools wanted to show its commitment to staying in the league in order to be attractive to other schools it is interested in.  The point being, only if the schools are committed to staying would they raise their own exit fee.  And that's the reason the Big East can't raise their fee - because the schools aren't committed to staying and they are unwilling to make it more difficult for themselves to leave.

Since: Jul 6, 2008
Posted on: September 20, 2011 8:49 pm

Navy nearly to Big East before Pitt, SU exited

I would hate to be a TCU fan getting accecpted to the BIGEAST then seeing them lose teams much less in this economy just how many road games does TCU or the BIGEAST expect the fans to make and what about the players they could be in tampa one wk go back home practice get ready fly the next wk to morgantown while still having to keep there grades up it just seems to be a heavy load for the student athelete and the fan something everyone seems to be forgetting about

Since: Sep 5, 2011
Posted on: September 20, 2011 8:29 pm

Navy nearly to Big East before Pitt, SU exited

Years ago, several Big East schools committed to gradually upgrading their football programs so the Big East would have more Division I teams.  Nova?  Georgetown?  Are you making any progress?  UConn did.

There are 4 problems with the Big East officials.
1st - they think "no action" is a safe action.  Clearly standing still only makes you an easier target.

2nd - they do not know how to exploit their assets - the New York marketplace and all the media outlets where BE basketball schools are located.  Are those media promoting BE football schools?  Instead of just hosting the Pinstripe Bowl at the end of the season - at the start of the season why not have the top Big East team play a game in New York against a team from Big 10/ SEC / ACC? 

3rd - They think hindsight is better than foresight.  They look for the schools they have known (since they were students?) when picking schools to ask to join the Big East.  But the world is going forward - not down memory lane.

UCF in many ways is where Florida State was back in the early 1970's when they hired Bobby Bowden away from West Virginia.  UCF has the resources to build great teams with enough time & promotion

4th - a $5,000,000 exit fee?  Are you kidding me?  That would kill most fans.  But to a school going to another conference - that's pocket change.  Something they would gladly pay to get something like a $25,000,000 payment in one year for a media contract.  B elike the ACC and raise it - but make it really hurt - a payment of $5,000,000 to each school left behind in the Big East - and payable in cash before leaving.

Since: May 10, 2007
Posted on: September 20, 2011 8:10 pm

Navy nearly to Big East before Pitt, SU exited

Navy needs to get with Army, Air Force, and Notre Dame and join the Big Ten; Army and Navy in the Leaders Division, Notre Dame and Air Force in the Legends Division.

I like it. 

Since: Sep 5, 2011
Posted on: September 20, 2011 8:10 pm

Navy nearly to Big East before Pitt, SU exited

The last time (2003-2005) the ACC raided the Big East, the remaining Big East football schools were told they could - and should leave to join a conference with schools that played both basketball & football.

Will this time be any different?

The Big East was formed in 1979 as a BASKETBALL CONFERENCE.  When Penn State wanted to jon a conference, they 1st applied to the Big East and were rejected by 1 vote (which moron was it? - a basketball only school?). Then Penn State applied to the Big 10.

Since: Sep 20, 2011
Posted on: September 20, 2011 8:04 pm

Navy nearly to Big East before Pitt, SU exited

I very well think that they do see the sleeping giant, but Louisville and USF just want to keep it outside on the porch.  I can understand USF feeling that we're so close to them physically to be a threat to recruiting (simple fact we already are out recruiting them) and detract from their medial coverage (Tampa is a distinct market itself, with very low overlap).  Now Louisville on the other hand, other than a little recruiting rivalry we've built with them, I can't see what their beef is unless it's to garner political points by aligning themselves with USF (I'm really reaching there).

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