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Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

Posted on: October 10, 2011 12:42 pm
Edited on: October 10, 2011 12:51 pm
 
Big East presidents and chancellors Monday authorized Big East commissioner John Marinatto “to engage in formal discussions with additional institutions and are considering moving to a model that includes 12 football playing schools.”

Now the question is: what schools will make up those 12?

With TCU gone before it even got here and Pittsburgh and Syracuse headed to the ACC in 2014 (and they hope even earlier than that), that leaves six football members – Cincinnati, UConn, Louisville, Rutgers, South Florida and West Virginia.

For now.

That number could reduce further if Missouri goes to the SEC. Louisville and West Virginia is considered the strongest candidates for the Big 12 now that BYU apparently is no longer as highly regarded by the Big 12.

Navy, Air Force and Army remain the prime targets of the Big East as football only members. However, with the news that the Big East is pursuing 12 football schools, if the league went to a nine-game league schedule, that actually might not be an attractive option for the academies having only three non-conference games.

Navy athletic director Chet Gladchuk told CBSSports.com Monday the Midshipmen continue to monitor the Big East and that joining the league remains an option.

Other Big East targets are Temple, of the Mid-American Conference, and a number of Conference USA schools headed by Central Florida and East Carolina.

The Newark Star-Ledger reported Sunday that Boise State was a possibility as a football-only member. Last month in a Big East presidents meeting, the Broncos were brought up as an expansion candidate, but the consensus was the school was too far away and there were concerns with their recent NCAA issues, a source said.

However, that was before TCU announced it received a Big 12 invitation, which the Horned Frogs will formally accept Monday night. Does that mean the Big East is warming to Boise State - or that desparate for members?

As far as any problems in having a 12-team football conference and a resulting basketball membership of up to 20 schools, a league source told me the size of the basketball membership is not a concern.

“You can have 50 teams in basketball (in the conference),” the source said. “It doesn't matter. That's why they have the NCAA tournament.”

The reality for the Big East is, other than continuing to pursue the academies, it must wait to see what happens with Missouri and the Big 12/SEC and the resulting dominos before proceeding further.

During Monday’s teleconference, the presidents were “still discussing appropriate figures” for increased withdrawal fees, an individual on the call told CBSSports.com.

The withdrawal fee is currently $5 million and a school must provide 27 months notice.

Last month Marinatto told CBSSports.com that the league will not allow Syracuse and Pitt to leave before their 27-month withdrawal requirement expires, keeping them in Big East until June 30, 2014.

On Saturday, Air Force athletic director Hans Mueh told the Denver Post “our interest is high in the Big East. That's fair to say. This stuff is moving fast.”

Air Force has to decide whether to remain in a comfortable situation in the Mountain West or leave for an uncertain future in the Big East, once an automatic qualifying BCS league that may or may not still be an AQ BCS conference when the new BCS cycle begins before the 2014 season.

Even with the league holding a second conference call in four days among officials from representative from the remaining Big East schools, there wasn’t much accomplished said one frustrated individual on the call.

“Nothing accomplished,” he said.

Comments

Since: Sep 19, 2011
Posted on: October 12, 2011 1:21 am
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

It should be interesting if ND join the Big East in football, I feel that Big East need ND more then ND need them. So far the teams I hear that might join the Big East will make Big East weaker in football, but they don't have much of a choice.



Since: Oct 11, 2011
Posted on: October 11, 2011 10:25 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

What happens to Memphis? Does BBall mean anything to the Big East?



Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: October 11, 2011 6:47 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

I should have added that the if there is someone or something to blame, I would cast that on the NCAA for determining that a Conference must have twelve teams to conduct a championship.  That forced everyone to grow and we began seeing some movement based on this requirement.
   
Interesting points, Chimera.  In truth, there are many, many factors that have led us to this point.  One could trace the cause-effects going back to University Presidents wrestling all broadcast rights away from the NCAA, instead giving the broadcast rights to the conferences and independents.  That is when the money escalation began.



Would the SEC have grown to included South Carolina?  Wouldn't the ACC have simply added an available SC, or just added one team from VA Tech or Miami.

S Carolina left the ACC in 1971.  I somehow doubt that the rift between them could have been repaired before S Carolina chose to join the SEC.  I doubt the ACC would have welcomed USC back, and vice versa.  Not to mention the other half of the SEC's expansion was the result of Arkansas being available after the SWC's implosion. 



At the time TV rights wasn't so high on the list of consderation.

Now you are touching on the other 800 LB gorilla...ESPN.  One of the ACC AD's admitted yesterday that ESPN told the ACC to pick up Pitt and Syracuse.  The CYA backpedaling out of the ACC today was a sight to behold.  Wonder of wonders, the AD now says his comments were erroneous.  No doubt he slipped up by telling the truth, but the lawyers made him lie to fix it fast.  It appears that the Worldwide Leader is behind most of the reshuffling.  As a result, TV market considerations are now trumping traditional regional & cultural considerations.



Since: Jun 3, 2009
Posted on: October 11, 2011 4:55 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

I keeping seeing posts stating that the Big East is going to lose it’s BCS AQ status.  I find this impossible to believe.  The BCS is already heavily criticized for not being inclusive enough.  They aren’t going to bump out the Big East and dole out another bid to the SEC, Big 12 or the likes.  Even if they did decide to take away the Big East’s AQ status, what conference is going to take that bid?  Conference USA, not likely, it seems some of their better teams are heading to the Big East.  Mountain West?  Doubtful.  They just lost TCU, Air Force is on the way out and BYU and Utah are already long gone, not much left of interest there.  Who else is there?  The WAC, no chance.  The MAC, come on.  There are really no other viable options to fill that void better than the Big East already does and will.  Let’s also remember that the BCS is driven by the almighty dollar.  If the Big East adds TV markets in Orlando, Houston, Dallas, Denver and Philadelphia, that’s a lot of TV sets and there’s no way the BCS will walk away from that.  Finally, if the Big East adds Air Force and Navy, can you really see them kicking out the conference with 2 service academies?  I can just see Congress hauling them in for a congressional hearing for anti-trust and monopoly purposes and wanting to know why they tossed the service academies out of the BCS private party.  The BCS wants no part of that and they will continue to accept the Big East’s terrible football.




Since: Nov 19, 2006
Posted on: October 11, 2011 4:03 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

If the ACC accepts Missouri, the Big East could be in Big Trouble.  There is little doubt that the Big 12 will want at least 10 teams in their Conference, which is where they stand now.  Losing Missouri would force the Big 12's hand.  The two logical candidates are West Virginia, and Louisville, both Big East Schools.  With UConn openly courting the ACC, the Big East probably could not survive losing another member and dropping to 5 teams.  Right now, they have 6 teams.  Their options are very limited.  The teams they are thinking about adding are certainly not BCS quality teams.  It appears inevitable that the Big East will lose their BCS status.  I really do not see a way for the Big East to save their status, no matter how many average to poor teams they may add.  To me, the Big East is finished as a legitimate BCS Conference.  The sooner they disband as a football conference, the better.



Since: Jul 9, 2010
Posted on: October 11, 2011 1:56 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

Pardon it was XENON I agree with 100%. Read my message below !



Since: Jul 9, 2010
Posted on: October 11, 2011 1:53 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

I agree with NEXON 100%.......... Notre Dame has rode the BIG EAST way too long.  One of the huge problems the BE has had in the past is dealing with Notre Dame in the equation.  In fact, Notre Dame has hampered and handcuffed the conference officals and presidents on the football side way too long to be creative and nimble in making the decision to advance to a 12 team football league with a championship game.  Notre Dame should be All-IN or All-OUT.  Notre Dame has had it's cake, ice cream and coke and eaten it all, by leaching off the BIG EAST. The BE football coaches have NEVER liked this situation from the start with this unfair relationship with ND. It exposes a real BIG EAST weakness as a BCS conference, if they continue to allow Notre Dame to leach like this. Who wants to be in a "HODGEPODGE" league where in reality ND is more important than the other teams in the league. Again, tell ND to either get ALL-IN or ALL-OUT. My opinion only !



Since: Aug 31, 2006
Posted on: October 11, 2011 1:23 pm
 

What does Notre Dame do?

Does ND stay with a 12 team BigEast?  Does the "ND plays 3 games against the BigEast and then the BigEast lets ND into the Bowl lineup" deal work with a 12 team BigEast?

Does a "50 team" BigEast BBall conference work for ND?  Granted, it's not really 50 teams, but does that still work?

Does the BigEast still want/need ND if they go to 12 in football, or would they tell ND to either be all in or all out?

I think ND is still one big domino that could still drop ...



Since: Oct 30, 2007
Posted on: October 11, 2011 1:02 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

Why would anyone want to join the Big East? It's a conference in peril and is certain to lose it's AQ in 2014. I feel bad for Rutgers and Uconn. Both want out desperatly. WVU wants out too but they are starting to realize that the big conferences arent interested. Bringing in Army, UCF and schools like that just shows the desperation and makes it even clearer that the conference will definitely loose the AQ.



Since: Aug 9, 2010
Posted on: October 11, 2011 12:41 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

Well, I'm not really blaming Penn State, just looking back in history at the affect it had on other programs.  It signaled a lack of confidence in their eastern breathren.  Rivalries between West Virginia, Pitt, and Syracuse were lost.  With Penn State I don't believe Boston College would have ever left, and maybe not Miami either.  VA Tech probably leaves anyway due to Virginia politics.  Imagine this:

Division One
Penn State
Miami or South Florida
Syracuse
Boston College
UConn
Rutgers

Division Two
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Lousiville
Temple
Virginia Tech or UCF or ECU
 
(A debate about what divisions would have looked like isn't really the point).

I should have added that the if there is someone or something to blame, I would cast that on the NCAA for determining that a Conference must have twelve teams to conduct a championship.  That forced everyone to grow and we began seeing some movement based on this requirement.  Would the SEC have grown to included South Carolina?  Wouldn't the ACC have simply added an available SC, or just added one team from VA Tech or Miami.  At the time TV rights wasn't so high on the list of consderation. 


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