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Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

Posted on: October 10, 2011 12:42 pm
Edited on: October 10, 2011 12:51 pm
 
Big East presidents and chancellors Monday authorized Big East commissioner John Marinatto “to engage in formal discussions with additional institutions and are considering moving to a model that includes 12 football playing schools.”

Now the question is: what schools will make up those 12?

With TCU gone before it even got here and Pittsburgh and Syracuse headed to the ACC in 2014 (and they hope even earlier than that), that leaves six football members – Cincinnati, UConn, Louisville, Rutgers, South Florida and West Virginia.

For now.

That number could reduce further if Missouri goes to the SEC. Louisville and West Virginia is considered the strongest candidates for the Big 12 now that BYU apparently is no longer as highly regarded by the Big 12.

Navy, Air Force and Army remain the prime targets of the Big East as football only members. However, with the news that the Big East is pursuing 12 football schools, if the league went to a nine-game league schedule, that actually might not be an attractive option for the academies having only three non-conference games.

Navy athletic director Chet Gladchuk told CBSSports.com Monday the Midshipmen continue to monitor the Big East and that joining the league remains an option.

Other Big East targets are Temple, of the Mid-American Conference, and a number of Conference USA schools headed by Central Florida and East Carolina.

The Newark Star-Ledger reported Sunday that Boise State was a possibility as a football-only member. Last month in a Big East presidents meeting, the Broncos were brought up as an expansion candidate, but the consensus was the school was too far away and there were concerns with their recent NCAA issues, a source said.

However, that was before TCU announced it received a Big 12 invitation, which the Horned Frogs will formally accept Monday night. Does that mean the Big East is warming to Boise State - or that desparate for members?

As far as any problems in having a 12-team football conference and a resulting basketball membership of up to 20 schools, a league source told me the size of the basketball membership is not a concern.

“You can have 50 teams in basketball (in the conference),” the source said. “It doesn't matter. That's why they have the NCAA tournament.”

The reality for the Big East is, other than continuing to pursue the academies, it must wait to see what happens with Missouri and the Big 12/SEC and the resulting dominos before proceeding further.

During Monday’s teleconference, the presidents were “still discussing appropriate figures” for increased withdrawal fees, an individual on the call told CBSSports.com.

The withdrawal fee is currently $5 million and a school must provide 27 months notice.

Last month Marinatto told CBSSports.com that the league will not allow Syracuse and Pitt to leave before their 27-month withdrawal requirement expires, keeping them in Big East until June 30, 2014.

On Saturday, Air Force athletic director Hans Mueh told the Denver Post “our interest is high in the Big East. That's fair to say. This stuff is moving fast.”

Air Force has to decide whether to remain in a comfortable situation in the Mountain West or leave for an uncertain future in the Big East, once an automatic qualifying BCS league that may or may not still be an AQ BCS conference when the new BCS cycle begins before the 2014 season.

Even with the league holding a second conference call in four days among officials from representative from the remaining Big East schools, there wasn’t much accomplished said one frustrated individual on the call.

“Nothing accomplished,” he said.

Comments

Since: Aug 27, 2011
Posted on: October 10, 2011 11:42 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

For those that think schools from the Mountain West would be interesting in joining any other conference might check out the comments made by the commissioners of the Mountain West and Western Athletic Conferences.

They are in the process of forming a championship game between the two conferences to attract attention from the BCS folks.

There is even talk of merging the two conferences with one becoming the East/West or North/South in the coming two years or so. I think this make a lot of sense for these two conference. Once or if the Big East AQ is striped from that conference it should go whatever comes out of the merged Mountain West and Western Athletic. I don’t think Air Force would want to leave a conference with the possibility of becoming a AQ conference.

I don’t see why any program would want to go to the Big East or the Big-12, both conferences are unstable and could fall with the movement of even one other school of the conference to another conference.   

Those that are hoping or pushing notre dame would join any conference are not looking at real figures. Notre dame has a national audience and following, they have their own network without sharing revenue. They do not have to conform to playing 2-3 out of conference games. Notre dame has a standing home and home national rivalry with SC that is sold out and produce more revenue for the school than a conference member would ever produce.

They play the service academies, these games are always on the Armed Forces Network (AFN) international exposure for notre dame as this game is shown to all the armed forces station in an overseas area.. When this game is posted those that are haters and those that are fans or alum throw a party akin to a Super Bowl party at the various bases around the world.

I can not see notre dame giving that up, especially playing a conference and only 2-3 out of conference games. As they are they select their own schedule with no hindrance or conference interference.

The Big East and the Big-12 are in trouble. Inviting teams just to complete a 10 or 12 team conference would be difficult. The programs with the necessary facilities, sports budgets and fan base are not available in most cases. The programs everyone is speaking of would have a problem competing at a higher level. Recruiting would be a problem as you would be required to attract 4-5 star studs from the various high schools. The schools mentioned as possible members of the Big-12 and Big East are not currently attracting these type players.

It would take 3-4 years of recruiting before these teams being mentioned would be able to compete in these conferences. They would still be a pay check for playing one of the members from one of the larger conferences.

   
“ONE MAN’S OPINION”

Great post! 



Since: Nov 23, 2008
Posted on: October 10, 2011 11:40 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

There's clearly a lack of imagination. Why not go after Mizzou, Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State? Remind those schools what Texas and OU with their little brothers were going to do to them and it's only been postponed for six measly years. Yes it's a long shot but there are a lot of upside. There won't be any dominant programe in the Big East conference who's going to bully you around.  AQ status will be preserved and the road to BCS game will be easier. Yes, this could force the other major conferences to expand at a time when they don't want to or are not ready to. Yes, Baylor might sue Big East but hey, you can always expand and find a seat for them or give them a little compensation and stick them into WAC. Even TCU might have to crawl its way back in. Then, you can add Air Force and Navy to get to 12/14 or add two of UCF/Temple/EC/Memphis. Hell, add all of them to furthur protect your self. The way things have been going, Big East needs to wear at least triple protection.



Since: Feb 8, 2011
Posted on: October 10, 2011 10:40 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

So now they want 12! It is questionable wheter Louisville and West Virginia stay. Once the ACC decides to take UCONN and possibly Rutgers, who are the possibly going to have? BSU is more likely going to Big 12 then Big East now with TCU there. So that leaves who. CINCY and USF, definately. Most likely UCF and ECU. Probably Temple, Air Force, Navy, Army, and Memphis. But then who? Villinova? If they can get the numbers right. Then who? Buffalo? Marshall? Tulane? Okay maybe they can get to 12, but do they really deserve to keep AQ status with a conference that is going to be a mere shadow of what it once was? They need to focus on keeping wha tthey have and then rebuilding. If the pieces continue to crumble, the conference will be no more.



Since: Nov 21, 2008
Posted on: October 10, 2011 9:54 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

All good points. But I dont know why we as fans get so made when colleges at as the rest of the greedy Amercians we are. Everyone thinks it is in there best intrest when the decsion is about there money but when another person states why they made there choice it was all wrong. Our large corps send our jobs to other countries to help us make a better profit in our wall street portfolio. Then the greedy althete has the nerve to ask for the going market is in his profession we bitch about him. The whole time we watch our TSP's , IRA's and saving account to see who made us some cash. We should not be watching sports we should have our broker on the tube every minute to show who's make us some dame money. Do we really care what coference they are in or are we betting on the conference now? Vegas and ESPN, and Wall street run this country. Good old boys and a few ladies just got there hands on our nutts. 



Since: Jan 16, 2010
Posted on: October 10, 2011 9:45 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

Lets face it there are plenty of teams that are in BCS conferences that dont belong yet reap the huge cash rewards. When it comes to expansion if some of these non AQs were funded like those in the inner circle who knows what they can become in 5 years. You have teams like Washington State, Duke, and many others that dont win and do not draw either. The idea that they are given a free pass to the riches but rarely if ever put a competitive product on the field is an embarrassment.

A program like Boise who has been ranked inside the top 10 the past few seasons must run the table to get the same percentage of revenue that a powerhouse like Indiania rakes in for one of their 4 win seasons. I mean no disrespect but lets be real the idea that you have many programs that clearly do not belong yet sit in judgement of those that put up better records and draw more at the gate exposes the system for the joke that it is.



Since: Jan 29, 2010
Posted on: October 10, 2011 9:36 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

That’s what got the Big East in trouble in the
first place all the school that let Notre Dame play them with giving up
anything. The Big East should have made ND bring football or not let any of ND
other sports into the Big East. Once schools go to the super conference they
will have no room on the schedule to play ND. You can’t play 9 league game and
ND also. If you are a major school it made scheduling of your other sports easier
when you are in a league.


Plus big deal if these second tier schools get in
the Big East they will just get a beat down like Pitt did, when they got in a BCS
game. they will never get the big money because they will never win the
Conference Championship




Since: Sep 13, 2011
Posted on: October 10, 2011 9:22 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

Ebonyrod2 is right and I agree with his post 100% in fact his post is actually better written and informative than the article above. I think this move by the Mountain West and WAC is really smart and it will definitely be one of the nails in the BIG EAST coffin.



Since: Jul 9, 2010
Posted on: October 10, 2011 9:11 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

There is no schools in the SEC, ACC or B1G that are interested in LEAVING.  All of these schools are quite happy in their respective conferences.  WVU will not be invited to any of these three conferences.  No disrespect to WVU or their fans, but there are too many reasons why these three conferences are not interested.  WVU and their leadership, would be mutch better off to lead the BIG EAST to a 12 member football conerence sooner than later.  The longer the BE waits to expand to 12 football members, the more upheavel and uneasiness there is with the existing members surivial.  The powers at the BE and university presidents, need to be PROACTIVE NOW, and not reactive later. 



Since: Aug 4, 2008
Posted on: October 10, 2011 9:07 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

For those that think schools from the Mountain West would be interesting in joining any other conference might check out the comments made by the commissioners of the Mountain West and Western Athletic Conferences.

They are in the process of forming a championship game between the two conferences to attract attention from the BCS folks.

There is even talk of merging the two conferences with one becoming the East/West or North/South in the coming two years or so. I think this make a lot of sense for these two conference. Once or if the Big East AQ is striped from that conference it should go whatever comes out of the merged Mountain West and Western Athletic. I don’t think Air Force would want to leave a conference with the possibility of becoming a AQ conference.

I don’t see why any program would want to go to the Big East or the Big-12, both conferences are unstable and could fall with the movement of even one other school of the conference to another conference.   

Those that are hoping or pushing notre dame would join any conference are not looking at real figures. Notre dame has a national audience and following, they have their own network without sharing revenue. They do not have to conform to playing 2-3 out of conference games. Notre dame has a standing home and home national rivalry with SC that is sold out and produce more revenue for the school than a conference member would ever produce.

They play the service academies, these games are always on the Armed Forces Network (AFN) international exposure for notre dame as this game is shown to all the armed forces station in an overseas area.. When this game is posted those that are haters and those that are fans or alum throw a party akin to a Super Bowl party at the various bases around the world.

I can not see notre dame giving that up, especially playing a conference and only 2-3 out of conference games. As they are they select their own schedule with no hindrance or conference interference.

The Big East and the Big-12 are in trouble. Inviting teams just to complete a 10 or 12 team conference would be difficult. The programs with the necessary facilities, sports budgets and fan base are not available in most cases. The programs everyone is speaking of would have a problem competing at a higher level. Recruiting would be a problem as you would be required to attract 4-5 star studs from the various high schools. The schools mentioned as possible members of the Big-12 and Big East are not currently attracting these type players.

It would take 3-4 years of recruiting before these teams being mentioned would be able to compete in these conferences. They would still be a pay check for playing one of the members from one of the larger conferences.

   
“ONE MAN’S OPINION”





Since: Oct 18, 2009
Posted on: October 10, 2011 8:59 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

koop, nothing in your comment makes sense.  The SEC will not add Clemson and FSU, The Pac 12 will not add Texas and Oklahoma, Notre Dame is going nowhere, and the ACC and Big 12 are not weak especially, the Big 12.  You need to keep up better so you can make intelligent comments, sorry.


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