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Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

Posted on: October 10, 2011 12:42 pm
Edited on: October 10, 2011 12:51 pm
 
Big East presidents and chancellors Monday authorized Big East commissioner John Marinatto “to engage in formal discussions with additional institutions and are considering moving to a model that includes 12 football playing schools.”

Now the question is: what schools will make up those 12?

With TCU gone before it even got here and Pittsburgh and Syracuse headed to the ACC in 2014 (and they hope even earlier than that), that leaves six football members – Cincinnati, UConn, Louisville, Rutgers, South Florida and West Virginia.

For now.

That number could reduce further if Missouri goes to the SEC. Louisville and West Virginia is considered the strongest candidates for the Big 12 now that BYU apparently is no longer as highly regarded by the Big 12.

Navy, Air Force and Army remain the prime targets of the Big East as football only members. However, with the news that the Big East is pursuing 12 football schools, if the league went to a nine-game league schedule, that actually might not be an attractive option for the academies having only three non-conference games.

Navy athletic director Chet Gladchuk told CBSSports.com Monday the Midshipmen continue to monitor the Big East and that joining the league remains an option.

Other Big East targets are Temple, of the Mid-American Conference, and a number of Conference USA schools headed by Central Florida and East Carolina.

The Newark Star-Ledger reported Sunday that Boise State was a possibility as a football-only member. Last month in a Big East presidents meeting, the Broncos were brought up as an expansion candidate, but the consensus was the school was too far away and there were concerns with their recent NCAA issues, a source said.

However, that was before TCU announced it received a Big 12 invitation, which the Horned Frogs will formally accept Monday night. Does that mean the Big East is warming to Boise State - or that desparate for members?

As far as any problems in having a 12-team football conference and a resulting basketball membership of up to 20 schools, a league source told me the size of the basketball membership is not a concern.

“You can have 50 teams in basketball (in the conference),” the source said. “It doesn't matter. That's why they have the NCAA tournament.”

The reality for the Big East is, other than continuing to pursue the academies, it must wait to see what happens with Missouri and the Big 12/SEC and the resulting dominos before proceeding further.

During Monday’s teleconference, the presidents were “still discussing appropriate figures” for increased withdrawal fees, an individual on the call told CBSSports.com.

The withdrawal fee is currently $5 million and a school must provide 27 months notice.

Last month Marinatto told CBSSports.com that the league will not allow Syracuse and Pitt to leave before their 27-month withdrawal requirement expires, keeping them in Big East until June 30, 2014.

On Saturday, Air Force athletic director Hans Mueh told the Denver Post “our interest is high in the Big East. That's fair to say. This stuff is moving fast.”

Air Force has to decide whether to remain in a comfortable situation in the Mountain West or leave for an uncertain future in the Big East, once an automatic qualifying BCS league that may or may not still be an AQ BCS conference when the new BCS cycle begins before the 2014 season.

Even with the league holding a second conference call in four days among officials from representative from the remaining Big East schools, there wasn’t much accomplished said one frustrated individual on the call.

“Nothing accomplished,” he said.

Comments

Since: Jun 10, 2010
Posted on: October 10, 2011 5:26 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

HA! Pretty sure Kansas doesn't want to go to the Big East and the Big 12 isn't booting them. Good luck with that one.



Since: Jul 1, 2008
Posted on: October 10, 2011 5:15 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

Students leaving college early for the NFL isn't a problem, most kids do stay since you have to wait 3 years anyway after you leave high school. Keep in mind, a lot of times when you hear that someone is leaving as a junior they're actually a redshirt junior, so they've already been in school for 4 years.

As for the Big East, they need to try and get some big schools to join. East Carolina? Temple? If they're supposed to be a BCS conference they should need to have a certain overall talent level.




Since: Dec 10, 2007
Posted on: October 10, 2011 5:13 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

Try this on for a future Big East football conference:

Big East - East division
West Virginia
UConn
Rutgers
Navy
USF
UCF

Big East - West division
Louisville
Cincy
Boise State
Air Force
SMU
Houston


Tell me how this conference doesn't retain its BCS status after 2013.  You'd have two schools that are routinely in the BCS Top 15, one that is routinely in the Top 10. Cincy has been ranked in the BCS Top 10 a couple of times.  UCF and Houston have both been ranked in the BCS Top 25.  USF climbed up to #2 in the country, albiet very briefly.



Since: Aug 18, 2009
Posted on: October 10, 2011 5:01 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

They can have Kansas!



Since: Aug 18, 2009
Posted on: October 10, 2011 4:58 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

Ain't no spot in Big 12 for any of em.



Since: Nov 10, 2006
Posted on: October 10, 2011 4:56 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

"The other thing needing to happen is the NFL and NBA requiring a four year degree to get a job...  most companies do this all the time...  supporting rather than exploiting colleges...  making the hardship rule have teeth for ACTUAL hardships...  keeping (for their own good) athletes in school."

I couldn't agree more. Too many athletes jump to the NFL early and then bomb. It would be interesting to see a study about how many do succeed. I would be will to bet it's an extremely small percentage. Fact is, college sports and scholarships were an enticement to kids to attend school to get degrees. There is a higher chance of success with a dgree than by dreaming of pro football.



Since: Aug 11, 2010
Posted on: October 10, 2011 4:55 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

Talkinsmack, I like your outside of the box, aggressive thinking.  But, There is no way Penn State leaves the Big Ten.  Or the two Florida schools leave their situations.  From PSU's standpoint, why would you leave one of the most lucrative conferences to join a league on life support?  Maybe if you still had Syracuse and Pitt, but that's still a reach.  You would have to create a revenue stream where Penn State keeps a larger share of the revenue.  Kind of what Texas had w/ the Longhorn Network.  But I don't even see that as feasible.  Also, why would Penn State go to a conference where they already dominate in terms of visibility?  Have you ever seen a Big East game get air time over a Penn State game on the East Coast? 



Since: Jan 15, 2011
Posted on: October 10, 2011 4:50 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

The Big East should add Temple and UMass for all sports and Army, Air Force, Navy and East Carolina for football-only. This would give them a Boston area team once again after losing Boston College. UMass will be FBS next season.



I agree, but the Big East should look at adding UCF, Memphis, SMU, Houston and Marshall as well!




Since: Jun 29, 2011
Posted on: October 10, 2011 4:09 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

If the Big East wants to remain on "life support" in football there are very few options. Basically raiding Conf USA and the Mid American Conference to complete the number they seek for a 10 or 12 team conference. Even with new additions the BCS status will be iffy. If the Big 12 or the ACC decides on adding a few more teams (from the Big East) that will finally "pull the plug" on any hopes the Big East could survive as a football conference. There is some hope however, if the BCS decides to expand their post season bowl schedule. The Cotton Bowl and the Gator Bowl are likely choices. In doing so, you can not only keep the Big East as a player in a BCS game you will give importance to 2nd and 3rd. place schools in the other major conferences. I know this is a stretch but it is doable and shouldn't water down the bowl schedule. Sponsorship and of course TV interest (money) will be the driving force.

As far as possible additions, I don't think you can exclude any military academy if one is invited, especially if Air Force is the first to join. Temple, ECU, UCF, and FIU are other possibilities. Outside choices would be UMass & Memphis. Although Houston & SMU would be great additions, an invitation to the BIG 12 is more likely and the travel distance for other spoorts would be a problem. Just can't see Boise St. making a football only move, and if so, that would be temporary at best.

As a Big East fan I hate to see what Pitt and Syracuse have done but I understand the move. A dream scenario would be to have Boston College return and then add Maryland - but that "aint-a ever gonna happen". I'm afraid all this talk aboout the Big East will end up as the article reads ....
“Nothing accomplished,”



Since: Oct 5, 2006
Posted on: October 10, 2011 4:06 pm
 

Big East wants 12 members, but who will it get?

Chimera -- nice analysis.

Only disagree with your last statement.  I'm for traditional rivalries, too.  And geography.  That has apparently gone south.  this stuff is crazy.  And it has been messed up for years with the BCS, lack of a way to settle the NC on the field and the polls, exploitation of student athletes which the NCAA fosters with it's labrinth of rules, violations enforced/postponed/ignored, the $$$$...  there is a lot that is broke.

Football is problem that maybe having 64 schools/programs break from the NCAA to form a semi-pro league solves...  4 16-team conferences with a clear path to a NC.  Open by-law to periodically (every 3 years) remove the bottom four teams in terms of revenue and performance and add four wanna-be's.  Not traditional...  but sane.

Has to be done in a way that the NCAA still sanctions their other sports.

The other thing needing to happen is the NFL and NBA requiring a four year degree to get a job...  most companies do this all the time...  supporting rather than exploiting colleges...  making the hardship rule have teeth for ACTUAL hardships...  keeping (for their own good) athletes in school.

Traditional?  Not quite.  But could be stable.  Logical.


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