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Policy indicates LSU trio could miss Alabama game

Posted on: October 20, 2011 4:19 pm
Edited on: October 20, 2011 4:57 pm

LSU could be without cornerbacks Tyrann Mathieu and Tharold Simon and running back Spencer Ware against Alabama if -- and the key word is "if" -- their suspensions were for a second failed drug test, according to the school’s substance abuse policy.

Mathieu, Simon and Ware will not play Saturday against Auburn "after testing positive for synthetic marijuana," The Times-Picayune reported.

LSU officials and coach Les Miles have not confirmed that the players have been suspended for a failed drug test.

Based on the school's substance abuse policy, obtained by, a second positive test results in a "suspension from up to 15 percent [rounding method used] of countable contests and/or suspension up to 30 days or combination thereof upon recommendation of treatment team. The penalty will be observed in all sports from the date of signed notification."

The policy does not specify if "up to 15 percent" is a subjective decision, meaning a student-athlete can be suspended "up to 15 percent" or if the suspension is "automatically" 15 percent of games. For a 12-game season, a 15-percent suspension computes to 1.8 games, which would be rounded up to a two-game suspension.

LSU's policy also states there is no automatic suspension for a first positive test and a one-year suspension for a third.

Mathieu and Ware are starters for the No. 1-ranked Tigers, while Simon is a backup cornerback who plays mostly in nickel situations.

After playing Auburn Saturday, LSU is off next week before visiting No. 2-ranked Alabama.

According to the school’s substance abuse policy, every student-athlete is tested a minimum of twice a year. The tests can be random or announced.

However, once a student-athlete has a positive test, the "athlete is subject to unannounced testing at an increased frequency at the discretion of the Drug Prevention Coordinator," LSU’s policy states.

LSU's student-athletes are tested for: "marijuana; synthetic marijuana; cocaine; amphetamine class (includes speed, designer drug 'ecstasy,' etc.); LSD (Lysergic Acid Diethylamide); opiate class (includes heroine, morphine, codeine, etc.); ephedrine; alcohol (ethanol); anabolic steroids and miscellaneous random tests for Clenbuterol, probenecid, barbiturates and adulterants." 

Ware is LSU's leading rusher, while Mathieu is a dark horse Heisman Trophy candidate.

"I certainly understand the interest surrounding what seems to be news," Miles told reporters after Wednesday’s practice. "The problem with that news is that it's internal discipline and an internal function of a team. I'm not inclined to be forthcoming with information. I'm not reactionary to meet the [needs] of the media and things external to this building.

"So, with that being said, there’s a process that I go through. When there's information that I can share, I will. I can only tell you that I’m doing this in the best interest of our football team, our squad and to maintain a deportment and a procedure that I'm true to in a process that I'm very comfortable with. There's no real information about any specific player that I'll address at this point."


Since: Aug 22, 2006
Posted on: October 20, 2011 11:46 pm

Policy indicates LSU trio could miss Alabama game

suspension from up to 15 percent [rounding method used] of countable contests
Just to chime in on the rounding issue, because this policy statement does not indicate whether they use a round down, a round up, or a round to the nearest integer method, we have no idea whether the suspension will be for one or two games.  As most of us remember from elementary school, a number with a decimal fraction can be rounded up OR down to a whole number using directed rounding.  Rounding down from 1.8 would equal 1, rounding up from 1.8 would equal 2.  There is also a process called rounding to the nearest integer, which is probably what has led to the confusion, because most people are familiar with this rounding method.  Rounding 1.8 to the nearest integer would obviously result in rounding to 2.  Since the policy doesn't state what rounding method is used, we're left to speculate.  I lean to rounding down to one game, since rounding up to two games would require a suspension longer than that mandated by the policy, albeit only 2/10 of a game longer.

Since: Jul 6, 2008
Posted on: October 20, 2011 10:52 pm

Policy indicates LSU trio could miss Alabama game

due to the test can a player be on the methadone or suboxon clinic and be eligible????

Since: Oct 20, 2011
Posted on: October 20, 2011 10:49 pm

Policy indicates LSU trio could miss Alabama game

I know LSU is very deep, but I sure would like these players to be in the lineup against Alabama.  Unlike Auburn, who seems to have a horseshoe up their butt, we don't want to win like that.  These guys are college students so they should have been smart enough to look ahead at the possibility of consequences for their actions.  Even Jefferson, self defense or not, should know to stay away from the situations that lead to this kind of trouble.  These players sound a little self centered.  That does not make for national titles.

Since: Jun 8, 2008
Posted on: October 20, 2011 10:19 pm

Policy indicates LSU trio could miss Alabama game

Jefferson got the opposite of preferential treatment, he was assaulted and had to miss 4 games.  Since when is self-defence a crime?  Even the grand jury agreed.
 Oh, BS. Just because most of the witnesses are pro LSU doesnt change the fact of what he did. There may not be enough to convict him but he certainly didn't "defend" himself. That's like shooting a guy in the back after he robbed you and was walking out the door. Now don't get me wrong, from what I hear, the bozo was asking for it but Jefferson has to do better than that.

Since: Oct 20, 2011
Posted on: October 20, 2011 10:04 pm

Policy indicates LSU trio could miss Alabama game

Mcmurphy - I'd agree w/ your comments if the NCAA performed due diligence on Scam Newton.  He and his father are guilty and still aren't saying a word b/c they know they are...for starters. Second, you would've lost to Wisconsin or TCU last yr anyways.  SEC is overrated.

Sec, overrated? You're joking, right?

Since: Oct 20, 2011
Posted on: October 20, 2011 9:52 pm

Policy indicates LSU trio could miss Alabama game

very well put.

Since: Oct 20, 2011
Posted on: October 20, 2011 9:49 pm

Policy indicates LSU trio could miss Alabama game

We have a great "team". Great teams overcome adversity and the loss of key players. Let's just move on with what we have and get ready for Auburn.

Since: Oct 20, 2011
Posted on: October 20, 2011 9:39 pm

Policy indicates LSU trio could miss Alabama game

Since: Jun 17, 2008
Posted on: October 20, 2011 8:58 pm

Policy indicates LSU trio could miss Alabama game

I agree with you all the way. Does anybody see this as violation of privacy.  I get drug tested at my job, the results of those test are not posted in the employee newsletter we get each month. There are many drugs in the article that Millions of people would test positive for if they had a legal priscription for. However, i don't think there is no way of legally validataing synthethic Mary Jane unless you have gluacoma. I think it was bad PR on LSU athletic Dept to start by releasing what type of drug, "Mary Jane", rather than saying 'drugs' in general. This is on every campus in all of the US LSU specfically tests for this which anyone one of us could by legally. I think its selfish on the three that were involved but the guy next to them in chemistry class can take the same thing and not get suspended from school. Again, LSU will be fine and this will pass, the Media is Making this bigger than what LSU Policy is stating. Just My Opinon.

Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: October 20, 2011 8:53 pm

Policy indicates LSU trio could miss Alabama game

There are actually more Wal-Marts in Louisiana than there are in Arkansas. So what is your point?  Is it to point out that Arkansas is only minutes away from the Corporate Offices in Bentonville where are your money comes?  Is that why you are so pissed off with the butt whuppins on LSU  by Razorbacks.  If so, I suggest you shop at Target and not watch ANY more Arkansas / LSU games, the State of Louisiana will be proud.  Even the year LSU won the National Championship, Arkansas beat them.  You sir are an idiot and a disgrace to real LSU fans.  I apologize to them for having to read this garbage.  I happen to like LSU when they are not playing Razorbacks.
Of course there are more Wal-Marts in Louisiana as Louisiana has a lot more people, cities, and commerce.  You sir don't realize that I was responding in kind (I only get personal when I react to personal).  Rather than apologizing to readers for me pointing out facts, you should apologize for the behavior of your fans.  Something again about glass houses (trailers).

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