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Big East: different look, but same name

Posted on: December 7, 2011 7:38 pm
Edited on: December 7, 2011 7:43 pm
 

NEW YORK – First things first: the Big East Conference, stretching four time zones from the East Coast to the West Coast, is not undergoing a name change.

It will remain the Big East.

It will, however, look much, much different.

On Wednesday, the league announced that Boise State, San Diego State, Houston, SMU and UCF would join the league in 2013. Boise State and San Diego State as football-only members and Houston, SMU and UCF as all-sport members.

And even with the addition of those five schools, Big East commissioner John Marinatto said the league has no plans to allow West Virginia (to the Big 12) and Syracuse and Pittsburgh (to the ACC) to leave before June 30, 2014, as required by conference by-laws.

“The additions that we're making today have no impact whatsoever in regard to our commitment and our belief that our schools that are leaving would fulfill the 27‑month requirement clause that's currently in our bylaws,” Marinatto said. “The bylaws are the bylaws are the bylaws. They represent the agreements between the conference schools. I think there's an understanding amongst all of our schools that an early departure and a violation of those bylaws would do damage to the schools that are remaining. As a result, two of our schools have indicated that they respect that process and they understand it.”

Those two schools are Syracuse and Pittsburgh. West Virginia, however, has filed a lawsuit to join the Big 12 next season. The Big East also has filed a lawsuit to make West Virginia honor the exit agreement until 2014.

West Virginia athletic director Oliver Luck told CBSSports.com Wednesday that even if the league compromised and allowed the Mountaineers to leave a year early in 2013, their plans are still to join the Big 12 next season.

“That doesn’t change,” Luck told CBSSports.com.

Syracuse athletic director Daryl Gross said his school is prepared to honor the 27-month exit agreement, but told CBSSports.com “we’re just open to seeing what happens.”

“They’re starting to put together what the new Big East will look like,” Gross said. “As they go forward to put together new multi-media deals, they’re going to need us to move out of the way. We’re waiting for that.”

Marinatto said that was not the case. So if West Virginia, Pitt and Syracuse must remain in the league through June 30, 2014, that means the Big East in 2013 would consist of at least 13 teams in football and 19 schools in basketball.

Officials at Air Force, which was a target of the Big East as a football-only member, told the Gazette Wednesday, that it would remain in the Mountain West. Navy, however, remains a viable target, but won’t make any decisions this week that would take attention away from Saturday’s Army-Navy game.

The new Big East is certainly bigger than any conference out there. It’s got a bigger footprint than even Bigfoot.

“We've envisioned the premise that we could theoretically on any given Saturday have four kickoffs that don't compete with each other,” Marinatto said. “We think, as I mentioned earlier, that's a very powerful model as we move forward in our upcoming TV negotiations.”

Those will begin in 2012. The Big East first must give ESPN the first opportunity as its currents rights holder and if they don’t reach a deal by November 2012 then the Big East could negotiate with other networks such as Fox or NBC/Comcast.

NCAA President Mark Emmert, without specially mentioning the Big East, discussed schools leaving non-automatic BCS qualifying conferences (such as Boise State, Houston, San Diego State, UCF and SMU) for an automatic qualifying BCS conference such as the Big East.

“There’s a lot of motivation’s going on (with expansion), clearly the BCS automatic qualifying position is driving a lot of this,” Emmert said at the IMG Forum at the Marriott Marquis. “Nobody wants to lose their AQ rights in the BCS and, of course, one of the ironies is the BCS is going to be refined again (in 2014).”

And if there remains BCS AQ conferences at that time, the Big East feels strongly it will remain one.

“Part of our objectives in expansion was to create the best conference we could both on the football side as well as other sports,” Marinatto said. “We recognize obviously the departure of the schools leaving the conference affected us. But we always felt confident that if we made the right moves, we would keep our BCS AQ status and we've done that.”

Comments

Since: Nov 9, 2011
Posted on: December 8, 2011 5:47 pm
 

Big East: different look, but same name

True, but that's now.  If Bronco's keep staying in top ten, the stadium expansion to a 50K seat bowl is completed in 2013, and the school enhances itself academically as it has last five years, you'll see the Broncos being cultivated by the Big 12.  Boise is small peanuts population wise, but TV ratings are what count.

Coach Petersen is a marvel.  He isn't going anywhere or the college pres and AD loose their jobs. 

Good time to be an ace senior field goal kicker or corner back in a small high school! LOL
 



Since: Aug 22, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2011 5:34 pm
 

Big East: different look, but same name

if the Big 12 wanted Boise St., then Boise St. would be in the Big 12 today. The fact is none of the power conference wants them.



Since: Nov 9, 2011
Posted on: December 8, 2011 5:26 pm
 

Big East: different look, but same name

I agree with Cubanbull's original post.  Follow the money.
However,  let's not forget that to get the publicity needed for votes in the polls, you have to have ESPN on your side or you simply will not exist.

Kellen Moore got especially screwed by ESPN.  How many know he is now the winningest QB in football--ever?

Too many Poll voters are too lazy to watch the games and just vote based upon what the read in papers or see on websites.  Sucks, but that's the reality.

Bronco's are definitely following the money.  Can you blame them?  They've be snubbed, used and screwed by every one so why not chase the bucks while they're there?  Will they stay in the Big East?  Only if it becomes a 16 team league with a rreal egional western division.  Otherwise, the Big 12 is better fit.  Forget PAC 12, their snobs and Boise isn't on their maps, let alone the football team.




Since: Dec 7, 2011
Posted on: December 8, 2011 2:02 pm
 

Big East: different look, but same name

Cuban, your scenario is possible IF NBC can pry Big East basketball away from ESPN. That is a fight I want to see.



Since: Jul 9, 2010
Posted on: December 8, 2011 12:12 pm
 

Big East: different look, but same name

I'm happy the Big East Conference is trying to right itself in the football equation side of the conference. I say football equation because all of us know that there continues to be 3 different equations to the BE's existence; Football, Basketball and Notre Dame, which in reality makes the BE a "hodgepodge" athletic conference. Notre Dame is FULL-TIME in all conference activities with the exception of football. However, at end of the college football season; Notre Dame has in their agreement with the BE the opportunity to fill a BIG EAST football spot if qualified. This is definitely not fair, and it will be interesting to see if this arrangement with ND in football will be tweaked down the road, rather than riding the BE football schools coattails. ND needs to be 100% independent in football with bowl selection also, since it appears ND wishes to remain independent in Division 1 football.

I have no horse in the BE conference, but I sure hope it survives and becomes a true BCS conference like the SEC, ACC, B1G, PAC12 and BIG12.  However, I don't see problems leaving the BE in the future like they have plagued the league over the past 15 years, unless a committment is made at the conference commissioner's office and all their member Presidents to eradicate these "hodgepodge" competition problems of the past.  Just to reload everytime there are problems of fairness, does not a conference make. It will be interesting to see how the BIG EAST handle these known problems for it's future survival.

With these new schools being programed to participate as full-fledged members in the BIG EAST in 2013, it will be interesting to see what happens to the three schools who have announced they are leaving the league.  The outcome of the WVU lawsuit to leave for the BIG12 by 2012 will have an effect on what happens with PITT and Syracuse leaving for the ACC. I'm also sure there may be some bearance on WVU, PITT and Syracuse being permitted to leave in 2013, if the new schools coming to the BE start participating in
2013. The legal reason the 27 month provision was put in the by-laws, was to allow the BE the opportunity to refill their league with new schools, should it take that long. A new school year is considered to start in July and continue to June. What bothers me in this WVU lawsuit was their AD LUCK, was in the forefront with the BE Commissioner's office to hold PITT and Syracuse feet to the fire in the 27 month by-laws rule. PITT and Syracuse has not sued, but WVU has now sued the BE to leave by 2012.  No matter how big of WVU supporter you may be, this is not right.  But that is why the reputation and respect has tarnished WVU in the past; is for these type of t actions their administration have resorted to. I don't know of a BCS school in the past suing their league to leave early.

Good Luck to the BIG EAST CONFERENCE in the future !!



Since: Aug 22, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2011 10:58 am
 

Big East: different look, but same name

Can people stop saying people in the Northeast don't care about college football!  If you actually lived here and walked around on a sat afternoon you would see every bar full of people watching college football.  Unlike everywhere else in the country we have people from all over and people from here travel all over the country to go to school.  Unlike every other back water we have diversity in people and the colleges we root for.  No one team dominates NYC because of so many transplants.  You know why they come to NYC? Because everywhere else sucks compared to New York. People in the tri-state ares LOVE football.  We can sell out a NFL game every sunday, not every other sunday like most towns, plus supporting 3 D-1 schools in stones throw from the city (Rutgers, Army, UConn). No where else has that concentrated collection of schools.

St. John's fan, i appreciate your support for nyc, but the facts are pro sports dominate the tri state area. i'm from the tri state area and you know people here care way way way more about the giants and jets. now if you tell me that rutgers, army, uconn sell out every home game then i'll be impressed. storrs, ct is not a stones throw from nyc! and you say nowhere else has that concentrated collection of schools? ever heard of tobacco road in north carolina?  north carolina, norht carolina state, wake forest, duke..all four within much closer proximity than the 3 schools you referenced.




Since: Oct 23, 2011
Posted on: December 8, 2011 10:54 am
 

Big East: different look, but same name

 

I agree the Big East is a brand in basketball.  I would suggest for football it be BE (keeping the Big East) but standing for be excellent, be enviable, and be exciting... I do agree with the pod system of 16 proposed here has merit and hope that it will be given full consideration; I would add to that however that ND needs to be all in or all out.




Since: Dec 13, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2011 10:02 am
 

Big East: different look, but same name

Wow The Big East is a minor league conference. Just like MLB you hope someday you can play in the big league. Three teams left for a better conference. It is hard to say what the NCAA and the BCS will do to college sports going forward. I can see a new system that no college will vote for. Remember that the colleges with the money will keep the money. TV has more to say about this than anyone is giving credit for. Remember some college fans have a life and watching the BIG EAST is not part of their life and TV knows that.



Since: Apr 13, 2008
Posted on: December 8, 2011 9:32 am
 

Big East: different look, but same name

Can people stop saying people in the Northeast don't care about college football!  If you actually lived here and walked around on a sat afternoon you would see every bar full of people watching college football.  Unlike everywhere else in the country we have people from all over and people from here travel all over the country to go to school.  Unlike every other back water we have diversity in people and the colleges we root for.  No one team dominates NYC because of so many transplants.  You know why they come to NYC? Because everywhere else sucks compared to New York. People in the tri-state ares LOVE football.  We can sell out a NFL game every sunday, not every other sunday like most towns, plus supporting 3 D-1 schools in stones throw from the city (Rutgers, Army, UConn). No where else has that concentrated collection of schools.



Since: May 1, 2011
Posted on: December 8, 2011 3:37 am
 

Big East: different look, but same name

Frisco As first said in his post most likely bidder is NBC. They have ND contract and the Irish need the big east to stay alive for their Indy status. Don't be surprised if ND helps in the deal. NBC needs sports programming specially college football but the Big East is the only one left for them. There might not be a blockbuster deal like the pac12 and big 12 signed, but a 6-10 million deal for football and 3-4 mill for basketball could be possible and that's better than current big east offers and what the mwc or cusa teams would get if they had not moved I won't be surprised with 8 million per football only and 11 million for all sports


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