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Temple likely headed to Big East in 2012

Posted on: February 22, 2012 1:23 pm
Edited on: February 22, 2012 5:46 pm
DALLAS – Temple is close to joining the Big East as an all-sports member in 2012, college football industry sources told Wednesday morning.

The addition of Temple is imperative for the Big East, which desperately needs a school to replace West Virginia this fall after the Mountaineers reached a $20 million agreement with the league to leave for the Big 12.

One source told that Temple to the Big East in 2012 "is done."

An announcement could be made as early as next week, sources told

MAC commissioner Jon Steinbrecher, attending the BCS meetings at the Dallas-Fort Worth Airport Grand Hyatt Hotel, told that discussions are ongoing between Temple and the Big East.

"I don't know where those will lead," Steinbrecher said.

Big East commissioner John Marinatto, also at the BCS meetings, declined comment Wednesday.

The Big East initially wanted Boise State, which will join in 2013, to join this fall as West Virginia’s replacement. However, the Big East was not willing to provide the Broncos with about $10 million they needed to leave the Mountain West in football and have their Olympic sports join the WAC a year early.

Boise State president Bob Kustra confirmed Wednesday afternoon that the Broncos would remain in the Mountain West in the 2012-13 season.

"While we have had several discussions with the Big East and the WAC in moving our sports into those two leagues a year earlier than previously stated, the University feels there were too many obstacles to overcome to make the move at this time," Kustra said in a statement. "While there certainly would have been advantages in making the move a year early, it became clear that it would not be fiscally responsible, as all of the expenses associated with early entry into the two conferences would not be covered."

Boise State would have had to pay the Mountain West between $8 million and $9 million and also pay the WAC $1.5 million.

With Boise State out of the picture, the Big East then turned its attention to Temple. The Mid-American Conference's exit fee is $2.5 million with two years notice, but it's unknown what the amount would be for a school providing less than a year's notice, a source said. To leave the Atlantic 10 Conference, where the Owls’ Olympic sports compete, would cost Temple $2 million with less than a year's notice, a source said.

Temple was one of the Big East’s original eight football members in 1991, but was expelled from the league after the 2004 season for not being competitive and not meeting certain financial requirements. However, the Owls’ program has been resurrected under the direction of Al Golden and Steve Addazio, posting a 26-12 record the last three seasons.

Golden, who left for Miami after the 2010 season, guided the Owls to their first bowl in 30 years. Addazio completed his first year with a 37-15 victory against Wyoming in the New Mexico Bowl in December, only the second bowl victory in school history.

The addition of Temple will be the latest change for the Big East, which also added Memphis two weeks ago.

With Temple being added, the Big East’s membership is expected to have eight football members and 16 basketball members in 2012. In 2013, the football membership will grow to 14 with the addition of Boise State, SMU, UCF, Houston, Memphis and San Diego State. However, if Pittsburgh and Syracuse are allowed to leave a year early to the ACC, the league would have 12 football members.

In 2014, the football membership will be 12 (after Pittsburgh and Syracuse leave) but it will grow to 13 in 2015 with the addition of Navy.

Sources told, the reason the Big East decided to go beyond 12 football members is because the league is preparing for the possibility it will lose Louisville if the Big 12 decides to expand by at least another team.

Multiple sources have told that Louisville is the consensus choice for the Big 12’s 11th member, if the league expands, and that the Cardinals would accept an invitation to the Big 12.

Big 12 acting commissioner Chuck Neinas said Wednesday his league has no expansion meetings scheduled and is concentrating on the additions of West Virginia and TCU.

Two weeks ago when the Big East added Memphis, Marinatto said the league had reached its “primary objective” of securing a 12-team football league when Navy joins in 2015. However he opened the door to further expansion.

“We’re always going to be vigilant and we’re going to continue to do whatever is in the best interest of the conference,” Marinatto said. “You never say never (about future expansion), I guess. But we’ve reached our goal and we’re pleased that we’ve done that. But we’re always going to be obviously continuing to evaluate different opportunities as time goes on."


Since: Dec 2, 2007
Posted on: February 23, 2012 4:03 am

Temple likely headed to Big East in 2012

First off what everyone has to remember is the Big East contract is coming up, of course they always can stick with ESPN but you have FOX and NBC with their newly named NBC Sportsnetwork that might want to give it a go in college sports.

So what you really have to look at is the market sure everyone in Houston is more LSU fans or Texas or whatever, but the fact is a network could put the Big East in the Houston market, with Houston being in the conference. Look at all the major cities theyre now going into not looking at whether that the team there is one people care about.

Houston, Dallas, Memphis, Orlando, San Diego, Philadelphia even though there all ready there with Villinova, same goes with Washington D.C. with Navy being that Georgetown is all ready there, and well not a major market but still a city on the map Boise,Idaho.  

Plus the all ready existing markets New Jersey, New York with the Hall, Rutgers, St Johns, probably could include CONN with that bunch Chicago with Depaul, Milwaukee with Marquette, Tampa with South Florida, Cincinnati, Louisville. Plus the big one even though it is only in the olympic sports, i.e basketball, Notre Dame.

If your a network like NBC is the Big East not more attractive with those markets added of course and the fact is for football those big conferences are going to play non conference games at times road games ie Oregon playing at Boise, this year USC playing against Syracuse at the Ny Giant/Jet stadium when those Big East teams are the home team then that network would get that game. I'm sure ESPN would be telling teams not to schedule certain teams, stick to ESPN teams. 

Since: Aug 9, 2011
Posted on: February 23, 2012 3:48 am

Temple likely headed to Big East in 2012

I'm sure the MAC is already looking for Temple's replacement. I think the first school they should approach would be Army. They've already said the Big East is too competitive for their tastes, and you literally can't get any less competitive in the FBS than the MAC!
Say what?  What about the Sun Belt?  They are by FAR the worst non-AQ conference there is--the MAC is much better than they are and likely better than the WAC.  While I do think that Army would be a good fit for the MAC, it's not because they are that bad, but because they are good enough that it will be competitive for the Army--they could walk in and win the Sun Belt.

What's most surprising is that Temple is going back to the conference that kicked them out because they were too weak......I guess desparate times breed desparate measures as the the Big E is fighting for it's football life and settling for some small potatoes.  Boise is a good pickup, though not a good fit geographically, Air Force would be a good pickup (but again not geographically), and Navy will be a good pickup for the Big E.  However, I have to wonder if the AQ name stays how long they can keep it with their talent pool remaining. 
But regardless of how all of this plays out, it's definitely not a fun time to be the MAC.
The MAC will be fine as Temple wasn't even that good in the MAC, so it's not really a great loss.  UMass will easily make-up for them and I don't think UMass will be up for the Big E just yet.  I don't like the realigning as it's ruining a lot of great rivalries, but I think the MAC is far more secure than the Big E at present.



Since: Dec 6, 2006
Posted on: February 23, 2012 3:00 am

Temple likely headed to Big East in 2012

With a paltry $2.5 million exit fee, there's no way the MAC will be able to keep Temple from leaving. When you look at the money WVU is paying to switch conferences early, I can't imagine Temple will have any trouble settling up with the MAC and bolting before that 2-year waiting period is up.

I'm sure the MAC is already looking for Temple's replacement. I think the first school they should approach would be Army. They've already said the Big East is too competitive for their tastes, and you literally can't get any less competitive in the FBS than the MAC! Plus, with UMass joining and Buffalo already in the league, it would now make sense geographically.

If Army declines, which they very well may choose to do as they seem to value their independence, the MAC will probably have limited options. It's possible that they might somehow be able to lure a WKU or MTSU away from the Sun Belt, but considering the SBC has actually been stronger than the MAC in recent years (and may very well be on the verge of uniting with the remaining WAC teams to create a bottom-tier superconference), getting an SBC school to jump ship for the MAC would be a longshot. And while poaching one of the leftover WAC teams might not be as difficult, none of them would seem to be a good geographic fit.

That pretty much leaves the MAC to find another FCS program that's ready to upgrade. There are plenty of candidates, and a few (Delaware, Liberty, Appalachian St., JMU, ODU, Charlotte, Missouri St.) wouldn't even be too much of a stretch distance-wise. However, the best fit - even though it wouldn't expand the conference's footprint, and it's questionable whether they're actually even interested&
nbsp;in moving up at this point - would be Youngstown St. A decade ago, under Jim Tressel, they were one of the best FCS schools in the nation. And while they're not as dominant as they once were, I believe they could be successful in the MAC.

Of course, no matter who the MAC adds to replace Temple, it's probably just a matter of time until the entire conference is swallowed up. Once the conference expansion dominoes have all fallen and the superior conferences have cherry-picked the best programs, the MAC, the remnants of the SBC, and whatever scraps of the WAC are left over, will probably form one big conference of misfits, rejects, and orphans.

Also, don't be surprised if UMass departs after their inaugural season in the MAC. If they have any degree of success whatsoever, I would imagine their market alone would make them an attractive candidate for the Big East (once they inevitable lose more schools.) Besides, Temple and UMass just belong in the same conference! 

But regardless of how all of this plays out, it's definitely not a fun time to be the MAC. 

Since: Aug 22, 2007
Posted on: February 23, 2012 1:02 am

Temple likely headed to Big East in 2012

Temple likely headed to Big East in 2012

Agree with dcpirate28.  I live in Houston, which is a huge college football town.  Only problem is that no one watches Houston.  There are more LSU fans in Houston than U of H Cougar fans.  Just like there are more Penn State fans in Philadelphia than Temple fans.  More Tennessee Vol fans in Memphis, etc.  I don't see how this conference keeps a BCS bid.  And if they go to the 4 team playoff, there is no way this league takes part.  It will be Pac-12, Big Ten, ACC, and SEC.

you mean to tell me the acc would be chosen over the big 12?? i don't think so. any BCS or new playoff format will definitely include Texas and Oklahoma, make not mistake about that.  So if it's only 4 conference as part of a playoff system it will be SEC, BIG, Pac-12, and Big 12. the acc would be on the outside looking in.

Since: Jun 5, 2011
Posted on: February 23, 2012 12:03 am

Contadina time...

Eight great tomatoes in a little bitty can, anyone?  Temple's football team will be a tomato can in the Big East, even more so than WVU will be in the Big 12.  At this point, they are the team most likely to be designated "homecoming opponent."  I wonder if a team has ever been the homecoming opponent in every road game they played over the course of a season?  I admire their confidence and self-image, but they are still going to be the same pathetic franchise they have always been in football.  

Basketball, though, is a different story altogether.  This is probably a great move for the basketball team, and should help them get to where they want to be as a program.  As members of a major conference, they will be able to recruit a lot better now.  I just hope nobody on the football team gets hurt.

Since: Sep 20, 2009
Posted on: February 22, 2012 11:14 pm

Temple likely headed to Big East in 2012

some facts here to ponder:
The Mac is 11th out of 11 conf in attendance (even the sun belt beat them)
Temple was 81st in at home attendance ( in a bowl year with Penn St coming to town)
Temple filled only 40.94 % of the seats available( how sad is that?)

In Contrast: East Carolina
40th overall in attendance ranking over all current and named big east schools except West Virginia even  non Big East Schools Stanford(in a BCS year) TCU,  , Ga Tech, Virginia  Illin, Minnisota,Duke , Wake Forest, Indiana ,Maryland just to name a few
BYU is the only other non- BSC school above ECU
above 100% in attendance for home games

All these stats are in a non bowl year

I am not a expert but the Big East already kicked out this program and they had ECU begging to join , together they could have helped eachother but the Big East could have done better here. 
On a side note they got $20 million from  W. Virginia they could not help Boise out with the 10 million required?   

Since: Jan 16, 2010
Posted on: February 22, 2012 10:45 pm

Temple likely headed to Big East in 2012

Gee If I came from a D3 football program I wouldnt care a bit either about Big East Football. Your correct Memphis does add quite a bit theres nothing that says greatness than a 5-32 record and basketball attendence that outdraws football. Again if someone can answer my question how does a program like Virgina Tech survive in their market which might be the smallest in the country yet they have strong fan support. SMU, Temple, and Memphis dont draw 22,000 fans so where are the Neilson families watching these games?

If its about market then why dont the local community colleges from NYC, L.A., DC, Boston, Philly, SD, Dallas, and Houston get together and form their own football league and demand a 200 million TV contract. At somepoint the games must have meaning and someone other than the families of the kids playing must show an interest in the product. I bet the Zumba DVD and the Hair Club for Men infomercial draw better ratings than this watered down conference.

Since: Sep 14, 2011
Posted on: February 22, 2012 10:41 pm

Temple likely headed to Big East in 2012

You know you're in dire straits when you have to beg a team to join that was kicked out due to their poor performance

Since: Oct 26, 2007
Posted on: February 22, 2012 10:27 pm

Temple likely headed to Big East in 2012

Thank God the Big East finally figured out that hoop is important, and college football is a hoax. Hey, let's have more bowl games with half empty stadiums so we can anoint champions instead of letting them play for it. No thanks. The BCS is a clownshow, and fans are finally voting with their feet. Meanwhile, college basketball attendance is strong. And I promise you, there will not be entire sections of empty seats in the Elite 8 games. I am boycotting all bowl games where there are teams with .500 records playing. The bowl system insults us as fans. I have had enough. Temple and Memphis will ensure that the Big East remains a great hoop conference. And frankly, that is all I care about.

Since: Feb 28, 2008
Posted on: February 22, 2012 10:19 pm

Temple likely headed to Big East in 2012

I'm glad to see Temple joining the Big East in all sports.  The Big East is finally making some moves that help both sports.  Memphis and Temple will be a big help in basketball.  The rest of the teams bring something to the table in football.  It's odd thinking that Temple has a chance at a BCS bowl bid after being an independant and then joining the MAC.  The question is will the Big East still be a BCS conference or will there even be a BCS.

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