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Norris and Great Defensemen

Posted on: March 23, 2012 11:43 am
 
Well, this should get everybody upset at me I reckon.


In terms of 11 years, Lidstrom is the man. If we are talking 9 yrs, Orr is the man. Consistency...... consistency. Orr was injured for the last two years.



Lidstrom really did not get the top pairing until Konstantinov went down after the 1997 Cup. He and Fetisov were the Men on the blue line in Hockeytown until then. Lidstrom took full advantage of the opportunity presented to him AFTER that tragedy.



I don't like comparing eras either, but you can make a great case the Bourque was a better d-man even for his era. He had a better 20 year career, but Lidstrom had a better prime. I say that b/c when you look at the D partners that Lidstrom had, it was FAR superior to anything Bourque had to work with. I've seen both play probably dozen times up close on the glass. I have a preference for Bourque b/c of what he did away from the puck- including communicating with his teammates while play was going on; but I totally realize that these decisions are personal choices. Tough to go wrong with either frankly.



In terms of scoring, the GPG during Orr's prime and Lidstrom's prime are virtually identical. So, I don't buy the scoring (dead puck) argument for Lidstrom.



To me, Orr is the best to ever play the game (including Gretzky, Lemieux, and Howe), even with his so-called defensive deficiencies. He literally changed the way the game was played and how it is played today. When Orr came into the league, forwards scored 90% of the goals, now they score 85%. How d-men even come close to the scoring title much less win them like Orr did?



In terms of Norris voting for this year, SensArmy, I see your point. Since the hockey writers only get to vote for (I believe) 5 people, I get what you're driving at. I still might put Yandle in the top 5, but I can be on board with you.



redwings1969: So, did Lidstrom deserve the Norris based on his work for 2010/11?   
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Since: Feb 3, 2009
Posted on: March 23, 2012 12:04 pm
 

Norris and Great Defensemen

regarding yandle, i wouldn't include him for a few reasons. 

1st - his point totals are good, but not great, i think he's like 9th among d-men, or somewhere around there.

2nd - while his point totals are respectable, they aren't enough to get him a vote on their own (sort of like karlsson, although i think he's very underrated defensively, but i digress).  as a result, his defensive play would have to be pretty exceptional.  Using the thing that everyone knocks on karlsson with as a reflection of his defensive ability, yandle is one of the few marquee d-men in the league who plays even less time on the PK than karlsson.  tippett is a defense first guy, everyone says it's his biggest priority, so if yandle was very good defensively, logic would dictate that he would get some PK time ( he only has like 12 minutes of PK time total for the entire season ). 

so, like i said in the other thread, yandle is great, but i wouldn't put him in my top 5...this year.

my top 5 would be

weber
karlsson
chara
pietrangelo
suter




Since: Feb 3, 2009
Posted on: March 23, 2012 11:53 am
 

Norris and Great Defensemen

orr is the best all time

karlsson and weber are the best this year (hard to pick between the two, very different types of players)

lidstrom is not the best all time, nor is he the best this year, but is still an AWESOME player. 

that's my opinion, without getting into the specifics


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