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Boras: Ryan OK'd $44M bid; Phils backed off

Posted on: January 11, 2012 1:18 pm
Edited on: January 24, 2012 10:53 am
 

The Reds got an excellent closer on a reasonable contract when they agreed to an $8.5-million, one-year contract with ex-Phillie Ryan Madson. What did Madson get? He received the opportunity to close for a very good young team where he has the chance to rack up saves before hitting the free-agent market again next year.

Madson came close to doing a $44-million, four-year deal with the Phillies earlier this winter, as everyone knows by now. But Madson's agent Scott Boras wanted to make it clear that Madson did not reject that proposal, as has been suggested in some places on the blogosphere, and in fact informed the Phillies he was ready to sign back with the Phillies for that $44-million deal he said was proposed. "He told the Phillies he would accept it, and the Phillies decided not to execute it,'' Boras said by phone.

Phillies GM Ruben Amaro has denied that the deal fell apart because club president Dave Montgomery wouldn't approve it but declined to get into the specifics of how it blew up. Word was, the sides were discussing relatively minor items such as incentives when Amaro raised the idea of needing to go to Montgomery, though Amaro has since said that Montgomery knew all along where things stood and was not the reason the deal didn't go down. The Phillies ultimately signed Jonathan Papelbon for $50 million over four years shortly after the deal with Madson blew up.

The Phillies at some point tried to re-engage Madson about returning on a much lower deal, but after being under the impression he had a deal with his old team for $44 million Madson never re-entered serious talks with his old team.

In any case, the Reds were the beneficiary of the deal that blew up, getting the improving reliever who saved 30 of 32 chances in his first year with the bulk of the closing time. He went 4-2 with 62 strikeouts in 60 2/3 inings.



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Since: Jun 8, 2008
Posted on: January 11, 2012 8:19 pm
 

Boras: Ryan OK'd $44M bid; Phils didnt execute it

with the exception of those rare guys like Eck, Hoffman or Rievra, spedning a ton of money on a closer is a waste, because they're basically the baseball equivalent of kickers...when theyre hot, theyre hot, but most flame out after a year or two, often due to the mental aspect of it, just like kickers...



Since: Sep 27, 2006
Posted on: January 11, 2012 8:19 pm
 

Boras: Ryan OK'd $44M bid; Phils didnt execute it

MADSON= Another Boras train wreck.

The Reds got a great pitcher. 



Since: Oct 7, 2006
Posted on: January 11, 2012 8:18 pm
 

Boras: Ryan OK'd $44M bid; Phils didnt execute it

Boras hates Philly and he threw false info out on the the market and then tried to call BS on Philly saying they werent even talking to Papelbon and Amaro slammed the door in his face. Ever since JD Drew a Boras client is unable to exist in Philly. Scott Boras cost Ryan Madson millions of dollars and cost him a spot on the team he has been with his whole career. Nothing to spin about that. Madson has to pray he is able to show he can exist in one of the best hitters parks on the planet and make it through the year unhurt. Or his career wont ever be the same. He could have had $15M this year accepting Phillies arbitration. That move alone wound up costing him half the salary he could have made this year. Boras really did Madson in this offseason. 



Since: Nov 5, 2007
Posted on: January 11, 2012 7:51 pm
 

Boras: Ryan OK'd $44M bid; Phils didnt execute it

Whatever Boras. Spin it how you want, but the fact is all your clients get inflated paychecks that kill the sport.



Since: Jan 30, 2008
Posted on: January 11, 2012 7:35 pm
 

Boras: Ryan OK'd $44M bid; Phils didnt execute it

Ryan Madson, who has Scott Boras as an agent, didn't re-sign with the Phillies. One self-explanatory sentence would have sufficed for this story.



Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: January 11, 2012 7:23 pm
 

Boras: Ryan OK'd $44M bid; Phils didnt execute it

Or else. they are spending money left and right for older veterans with no plans for youth. This win now mentality which let me remind you did not work in 2011.
You do realize that their payroll will actually be lower this year than last year, right?

And youth?  Farm system still has players to bring up.  You might think they have no plans, but then again, you base what you think on what you know...



Since: Jul 17, 2008
Posted on: January 11, 2012 7:13 pm
 

Boras: Ryan OK'd $44M bid; Phils didnt execute it

Saves are way, way too over-rated. Paplebon saved 31 out of 37 last year, how many were 1 out saves, 2 out saves or 1 inning saves? I always have judged closers by their ERA's, because if you can pitch 50 innings plus in a season (including many 1 and 2 out outings) and have an ERA under or around 2.00, you're a real closer and the real deal. Paplebon was around 3.00 last year and more than 3.50 in 2010. His first 4 seasons he was under 2.00 each year.

Madson would have been the better financial move for the Phillies and taking Paplebon over Madson is really a wash as far as talent, just more expensive. But the Phillies have been a team with deep pockets these last few years so ultimately, does it really matter?

The Phillies didn't not make it to the World Series last year because of Madson.  




Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: January 11, 2012 6:27 pm
 

Boras: Ryan OK'd $44M bid; Phils didnt execute it

StlCards2000, the Phils won in 08 not 07



Since: Mar 10, 2010
Posted on: January 11, 2012 6:19 pm
 

Boras: Ryan OK'd $44M bid; Phils didnt execute it

Phillies must just have unlimited $. As silly as it sounds they have to win this year. Or else. they are spending money left and right for older veterans with no plans for youth. This win now mentality which let me remind you did not work in 2011. Go Cards . Better work this year. Or else it's going to be a huge decline coming. Just think about there lineup and team. Sure it may have won in 2007. But this is 5 years later.



Since: Jan 13, 2007
Posted on: January 11, 2012 5:39 pm
 

As a Reds fan, I'll take it.

As a Reds fan I couldn't be happier that the Phillies let Madsen go.  He will do well as the Reds closer and probably wind up getting the same amount of money, if not more, after his 1 year contract expires.  Let's not fool ourselves, $8.5 mil for 1 year aint too bad...


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