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SF offers Tim $100M-plus but more able on Cain

Posted on: January 22, 2012 6:31 pm
Edited on: January 24, 2012 10:46 am
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The Giants are talking to franchise pitchers Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain about multiyear deals, but while there are early indications they'll have a decent or better chance to lock up Cain into his free-agent years, the team seems to be focusing on deals of two years or one with Lincecum after he rebuffed an offer of at least $100 million for five years.

Giants people are saying only that talks are "ongoing'' with Cain, but there is said to be a fair amount of optimism they can keep Cain on a longterm deal for under $20 million a year. Cain already took one long team-friendly deal, but Lincecum, who has so far gone year to year, seems more likely to wind up with a two-year deal now rather than sign a contract into his free-agent years.

Cain along with Cole Hamels has been seen as one of the two pitching gems of the 2012-13 free agent class, and while teams are salivating at the thought of having a shot at Cain, people familiar with the talks see him staying in San Francisco. Meanwhile, the Giants appear to be tens of millions apart on a long deal with Lincecum after he rebuffed their offer for five years and nine figures and he countered much higher than that. It is thought Lincecum seeks a deal for seven or eight years but would be content to do a one- or two-year contract if no megadeal can be accomplished now. The Giants offered Lincecum $40 million on a two-year deal, and the sides logically could wind up in the low 40s after Lincecum requested an arbitration record $21.5 million for a non free agent and the Giants countered at $17 million for 2012.

Baseball people believe Cain might be able to match Cliff Lee's $120-million as a free agent if he tested the market after the year, but word is that he badly wants to stay in San Francisco. Additionally, industry experts suggest that if Lincecum could put together two more years like his first four that two years from now as a free agent he could possibly become the game's first $200-million pitcher.

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Since: Jan 24, 2012
Posted on: January 24, 2012 5:00 pm
 

SF offers Tim $100M-plus but more able on Cain

To those of you who have never served in the military and some who have....

"FREEDOM HAS A FLAVOR THE PROTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW"

Having served my country in war I know that I fought for Lincicum's and

anyone else's right to long hair, tatoo's, piercings, et. all.  




Since: Jan 24, 2012
Posted on: January 24, 2012 4:49 pm
 

SF offers Tim $100M-plus but more able on Cain

What do Viet  Nam Veteran and pro life have to do with this format???  I am a Viet Nam Veteran and 
I find your comment offensive to all Veterans...You have the right to your opinion, but please don't try
to paint all Veterans with the same brush, as I for one, respect women's rights and am pro choice...
Sincerely



Since: Aug 13, 2007
Posted on: January 24, 2012 12:56 pm
 

SF offers Tim $100M-plus but more able on Cain

Raise taxes on these guys. They can afford it.




Since: Jan 24, 2012
Posted on: January 24, 2012 9:40 am
 

SF offers Tim $100M-plus but more able on Cain

Hey everybodys entittled to their opinion. And Vietnam Vets are pro life. Pitchers are a special breed. Lin will do the smart thing.



Since: Aug 19, 2006
Posted on: January 23, 2012 7:27 pm
 

SF offers Tim $100M-plus but more able on Cain

 Are you really talking about a haircut? Wow, how old are you? Did you serve in Nam or something. Gimme a break you old geezer. What does his haircut have to do with anything? Randy Johnson had a pretty good career with a shaggy doo. Get out of the 60s man.



Since: Jan 23, 2012
Posted on: January 23, 2012 6:32 pm
 

SF offers Tim $100M-plus but more able on Cain

tim should get the best contract for himself as he has shown the ability of a great pitcher. The giant should do anything to sign Lincecum long term and if they don't there dumb.




Since: Jan 23, 2012
Posted on: January 23, 2012 6:06 pm
 

SF offers Tim $100M-plus but more able on Cain

If somebody who thinks Lincecum is an injury risk could produce evidence that he actually is, that would help them not sound as dumb as all the teams that passed on him in the draft. He has had two injury episodes, with no DL time, in four years: A tight back and a blister. He's 5'10" and weighs 180-190 lbs, all of it very lithe muscle. Here's what Tom Seaver says: "I’ve never seen anyone pitch like Lincecum that can throw the ball and get through the front leg. He has that stiff front leg. In essence, his throwing arm does not bull whip or backlash. So he doesn’t put all the secondary energy into his shoulder and his elbow. He’s got a chance to pitch for a long time. I don’t like the mechanics from the standpoint of what they do. But he’s learned to compensate and finish with the correct motion." () But of course all the "small frame, crazy mechanics" guys know and see so much more about mechanics than Seaver. (I don't know what he means by "I don't like the mechanics from the standpoint of what they do" but it seems clear that whatever he thinks they do, he doesn't think they'll lead to injury.)
 



Since: May 20, 2007
Posted on: January 23, 2012 4:27 pm
 

SF offers Tim $100M-plus but more able on Cain

>Not sure how often it's mentioned with Lincecum, as I think he's a great pitcher at the moment, but with his size and stature and the way

It's mentioned in every single post. And it about as relevant as shoe size.



Since: Jun 21, 2009
Posted on: January 23, 2012 3:05 pm
 

SF offers Tim $100M-plus but more able on Cain

Not sure how often it's mentioned with Lincecum, as I think he's a great pitcher at the moment, but with his size and stature and the way he delivers the ball, there is no way his body is going to hold up to see the end of this contract.  If the Giants are ponying it up, go get paid!
He has the size and stature of Jamie Moyer, who, at age 49 just signed a minor league contract. As far as how he delivers the ball goes, all pitchers learn how to deal with a decline in their physical skill or they don't have a lengthy career; Lincecum will be no different. Frank Tanana, a pretty lean and lanky guy, threw heat in his early career, then became mostly a breaking ball pitcher the second half of his career. Just an example.

As far as his body holding up to see the end of 'this contract', what contract? He's under Giants control for 2 more years, even if there is no long-term contract extension. Are you saying he won't last another 2 years? Based on what evidence?



Since: Jun 21, 2009
Posted on: January 23, 2012 2:55 pm
 

SF offers Tim $100M-plus but more able on Cain

As a Rockies fan, I hope the Giants don't sign both pitchers long-term, but man if they're smart, they will. Two aces and a farm system that always produces great pitchers is enough to keep the rest of the NL West in check. They've GOT to get Tim resigned, long-term, to go along with Cain, who appears to be staying long-term, as well.

Remember when the D'backs rode Schilling/Johnson to the WS title in 2001? The Giants can pretty much do the same with Cain/Lincecum, assuming some of their young hitters develop. Getting Posey back will be crucial, as will having another good year from Brandon Belt. With the Dodgers' Billingsley/Kershaw, we've got 4 of the better young pitchers in the league calling the NL West home.
Did you forget the Giants already won the title with Cain/Lincecum? It's been barely a year. But don't forget what happened to Arizona in 2002 and, especially  2003, or even SF last year, when Cain and Lincecum were both healthy.

If the Diamondbacks are being held up as a model of how to spend money, your owner's last name better be Getty or Rockefeller. Maybe Steinbrenner.


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