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Retiring Burrell stacks up well vs. other No. 1s

Posted on: January 30, 2012 2:50 pm
Edited on: January 31, 2012 4:45 pm
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Pat Burrell had a better career than you think. In fact, "Pat the Bat" had a better career than the vast majority of the other No. 1 overall draft picks, maybe 75 percent of the overall No. 1s, or maybe even more than that.

Of the first 34 overall No. 1s, from Rick Monday in 1965 by the A's to Burrell in 1998 by the Phillies, only five clearly had a better career than Burrell. That would be Ken Griffey Jr. (1987, Mariners), Alex Rodriguez (1993, Mariners), Chipper Jones (1990, Braves), Harold Baines (1977, White Sox) and Darryl Strawberry (1980, Mets). That's three out of 34 with Hall of Fame resumes, one with an extremely long and productive career and a fifth who probably should have been going to Cooperstown. Burrell falls into the next group of nine who had very nice careers but far short of great. But he's probably at or near the top of that group, so while he never became a superstar or even made an All-Star team, he was a solid first selection, certainly a lot more solid than most top picks.

The other eight No. 1 overalls I'd put into that good-but-not-great category would be Jeff Burroughs (1969, Senators), Bob Horner (1978, Braves), B.J. Surhoff (1985, Brewers), Andy Benes (1988, Padres), Phil Nevin (1992, Astros), Tim Belcher (1983, Twins), Shawon Dunston (1982, Cubs) and Mike Moore (1981, Mariners). I'd rank Burrell seventh overall, just behind Monday at No. 6 but ahead of the others in this group -- though, if someone wants to reorder the players within that group I wouldn't necessarily quibble. Burrell could be eighth, ninth or 10th, but he's clearly in the top third, at the very worst.

Shawon Dunston has a pretty good case to be at or near the top of this second group, too, with 150 home runs and an all-time shortstop arm in a 20-year career, but I'd put him just below Burrell. Benes has really solid stats, with a 155-139 record and 3.97 ERA, but he didn't have as much impact as Burrell. Burroughs and Horner has similar careers to each other, with some high highs (an MVP in Burroughs' case) but either not quite as much length or consistency. Surhoff was versatile and a high average hitter (.282) but he's more famous for having been picked ahead of Barry Bonds, Barry Larkin and Will Clark in that stellar '85 draft.

Burrell, who CBSSports.com has confirmed will retire (Tim Dierkes of @mlbtraderumors first reported the news), hit 292 home runs, twice finished in the top 14 in MVP voting and was a key contributor on two World Series winning teams, the 2008 Phillies and 2010 Giants (although the '10 World Series wasn't his finest hour). Burrell was a prodigious and consistent power hitter for the Phillies, and he had a very respectable .834 OPS for his career.

It's amazing how many of the overall No. 1 picks, especially the early ones, simply did not deliver. Danny Goodwin, a marginal major leaguer, was twice a No. 1 pick overall pick. David Clyde was the biggest-hyped high school pitcher maybe ever. Mike Ivie never became the big slugger some figured he might be. Tim Foli was a notable scrapper, but at some point , big-league scouts figured it wasn't worth taking a scrapper No. 1 overall.

Only two of the 34 No. 1s overall never played in the big leagues, Steve Chilcott (1966, Mets) and Brien Taylor (1991, Yankees). Chilcott was an incredible miscalculation, and was a mistake that is illuminated by the man picked right behind him, Hall of Famer Reggie Jackson. Taylor never regained his 99-mph fastball or any of his early promise after injuring his left shoulder defending his brother in a bar fight after he signed a record $1.55-million contract after a negotiation depicted by "60 Minutes'' and a couple impressive minor-league seasons. Shawn Abner, Matt Anderson and Al Chambers were busts in their own right.

Counting the ignominious New York picks Chilcott and Taylor, 19 No. 1 overall picks from '65 to '98 clearly had inferior careers to Burrell's (at least in my mind). And while that may say something about the crapshoot aspect of the amateur draft, some bad early picks before scouting improved or something else entirely, Burrell can't be considered any sort of disappointment, no matter how you measure it.
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Since: Jan 21, 2007
Posted on: February 6, 2012 11:50 am
 

Retiring Burrell stacks up well vs. other No. 1s

The Giants and Jets have won the S.B the Eagles have not.The Yankees have won 7 W.S since 1977 the Philles have 2 and I don't care much for hockey or hoops but Philly has not been successful there  either.

Giants and Jets?  Gee, let me guess, you are a Jets fan when they win, and a Giants fan when they win?  Pick a team and stick with it.  All I know is that the Eagles, my team, has won more NFL titles than the Jets.  The Giants have a better organization with regards to Championships than the Eagles.  That I have to admit.  The Yankees have far more championships than anybody.  But you don't care about hockey or hoops?  Funny, you pick the 2 sports that Philly is better than New York in my lifetime.  Nice to be able to do that.  But for those of us sportsfans that count all sports, the Sixers and the Flyers have had more success than the Rangers and Knicks.  Of course, you would probably count the Rangers, Islanders and Devils as your team if you were a fan of hockey.

Your posts are silly and a waste of time.  Good luck in Miss Bliss's remedial English class today.



Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: February 6, 2012 10:36 am
 

Retiring Burrell stacks up well vs. other No. 1s

And I would have to say not all people named Charly are major WHINERS
And that is why you have such a steller reputation.  You really brought it there.  What grade are you in?  Can't wait until you get to Middle School, eh?



Since: Dec 10, 2006
Posted on: February 4, 2012 6:33 am
 

Retiring Burrell stacks up well vs. other No. 1s

All I can say is THANK YOU Pat "The Bat" for delivering that ONE hit when we needed you the most.

Grateful Phils' Phan 


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Since: Jan 27, 2012
Posted on: February 3, 2012 5:33 pm
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Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: February 3, 2012 12:20 pm
 

Retiring Burrell stacks up well vs. other No. 1s

Well, you again show your ignorance.  According to this link  all NFL stadiums have a detention system.  

You say that all of those incidents I listed were isolated incidents? Chicago was on that list for attacking players/umpires/coaches 3 times.  How many of those "isolated" incidents were in Philly?  NONE!  1 knucklehead threw batteries at JD Drew in Philly.  1 knucklehead threw batteries at Eric Lindros in Quebec.  Why is Quebec's isolated and not Philly's?  Tim Couch got pelted with dozens of beer bottles.  Never happened in Philly.  LA nearly beat a man to death last season in a stadium.  Why is that isolated and a random attack of a Rangers fan in Philly that was not even near the stadium not?  You are ridiculous.  Philly has not won a lot of major championships in my lifetime (2 NHL, 2 MLB, 1 NBA), nor been to many championships (3 NBA Championships lost, 5 Stanley Cups lost, 3 WS lost, 2 SBs lost), but we haven't burned down our city after any of them.  Look at what happened after the Canucks lost the Stanley Cup last year, or any year in Detroit after they won the NBA Championship.  And we are classless?  You have classless jerks in every city. 

But I don't stereotype.  I don't condemn an entire group of people because of a few morons.  If I did, then I would have to say that all New York fans are just plain stupid, based on my conversation with you.  That would be wrong.  Because you only represent a small minority.



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Since: Jan 27, 2012
Posted on: February 2, 2012 7:41 pm
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Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: February 1, 2012 11:22 am
 

Retiring Burrell stacks up well vs. other No. 1s

Got to love these fans from Philly for a city who fans are the most classless and uninformed they talk alot.Their Hockey team has not won since 1975,there basketball team  has not won in 30 years.The Phillies who have won2 WS'S IN 80 years.And have won 1 WS' the last 5 years even though they win the N.L LEAST and then they choke or get beat like the Yankees did to them.But the Best is the dream team this guy goes back 40/50 years and says they won championships are you kidding,they are the only team in their division to never win the S.B.They are sitting home watching the Giants again.They are a bunch of thugs,Animal killers and lazy no good bums.

So keep talking Philly fans,what are you going to do get 5 guys and beat  up on anyone who tells you,your city is a joke when it comes to sports. 

Have you been to Philly?  I grew up in this region.  Never been arrested.  Have 2 college degrees.  Have coached 27 youth teams, served on the youth organization boards, etc.    I am neither classless nor uninformed.  The vast majority of our fans are just like me.  In every city you have that minority that is boorish.  I suppose you represent your city in that vein.  Is L.A. classless because 2 fans nearly beat a man to death on opening day?  Is Cleveland classless because they once pelted their starting QB with Beer bottles?  How about Chicago, where a drunk fan started a brawl that ended up with the Dodgers in the stands fighting their fans? In Milwaukee a fan attacked a visiting Houston player in the outfield.  Chicago, again, a fan attacked his own team's closer (Randy Myers).  In 1995 Dodgers fans pelted the umpires with baseballs (a give away that day) and the umpires ended up forgeiting the game to the Cardinals.  Cleveland again...Broncos and Browns had to switch ends to protect the Broncos players from getting pelted with batteries in the end zone back in 1989.  Chicago again, this time at Comiskey Park, 2 White Sox fans attacked the visiting Royals 1st base coach (a father and 15 year old son team no less) and sent him to the hospital).  6 months later, another White Sox fan in Chicago, against visiting Royals, ran onto the field and tried to tackle an umpire.  Quebec Nordique fans threw batteries at Eric Lindros during his first visit there (preseason game).

Are all the fans of these cities classless and uninformed, or are they the minority.

I have been to professional games in Atlanta, New York, Washington, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Boston, Milwaukee and Chicago.  Philly fans are neither the best behaved (that would be Atlanta), nor the worst (Boston).  But the fact is Philly is probably the most intense fans (with New York and Boston).  The fans of these cities are in the parks win or lose, and know the game.  Chicago (only been to Wrigley) is more of a party, and is a great atmosphere.  Atlanta, though well behaved, was a snooze fest.  Fans are only there when they are winning, and even then, they are silent.  Milwaukee was fun.  Pittsburgh have their own problems filling the stands (or did...it has been about 10 years since I was there...have to see the new stadium someday).  Now those comments (in this paragraph about each city) above are striclty my opinion, based on my perceptions.  Being a northeasterner, I look at how New York fans, Boston fans, Philly fans act, and see it as normal.  We are passionate.  Booing is not classless.  It shows that we are paying attention and expect effort.  Not necessarily results, just effort.  Though results are wanted too. 

So you sound like the more uninformed person here.  And bashing a city with generalities, instead of actually doing a little research, visiting, etc., is classless.



Since: May 2, 2007
Posted on: February 1, 2012 3:42 am
 

Retiring Burrell stacks up well vs. other No. 1s

Its called sarcasm.   Sorry next time so you get it ill add a smiley face or ask you to give me a higher rating because I really care about my rating on here.  My life evolves around my superstar status on cbs. Sometimes I actually feel like im a professional athlete because of that rating. However that many homers doesnt mean anything.  BJ Surhoff was a completely different build than Burrell plus Surhoff played catcher not OF.  Much more tear on the body.  And the difference in the lineups between the Brewers Teams and the Phillies teams arent even comparable.  However Surhoff had some talent around him. Just not the protection that Burrell got plus hitting farther up in the lineup.  Also, how many more seasons did Burrell play than Surhoff?  



Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: January 31, 2012 8:40 pm
 

Retiring Burrell stacks up well vs. other No. 1s

Thanks for the memories, Pat. Glad you got to be with us to win it all in '08. (Sorry you had to be with the Midgets to win your second a couple of years later.)



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Since: Jan 27, 2012
Posted on: January 31, 2012 8:11 pm
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