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Making sense of a non-sensical Orioles trade

Posted on: February 7, 2012 12:29 pm
Edited on: February 7, 2012 2:10 pm
 

There's been a lot of wonderment about why the Orioles would trade their perennial Opening Day starter, Jeremy Guthrie, for two lesser veteran pitchers who together make more money. It is perplexing, no question about that.

But here's my guess as to what caused them to do this seemingly nonsensical move ...

The Orioles just didin't love Guthrie.

It is, of course, possible that they just messed up and made a dumb deal. They've done it before. But in this case, I don't think so. I just don't think they had any great desire to have Guthrie lead their staff again.

Guthrie seems like a pleasant fellow, and he certainly is a smart guy (Stanford man). But there were whispers that the Orioles saw him as being slightly satisfied (one Orioles person remarked to me last spring that you could never tell from the way he carried himself that he only had 38 career victories) and perhaps not as tough a fellow as they'd like for their staff ace, either. Perhaps that is why they were so intent on trading him. And considering the take (Jason Hammel and Matt Lindstrom), I have to assume they were pretty intent.

Orioles GM Dan Duquette went on the airwaves Monday and said the Rockies' package was "by far'' the best offer they had for Guthrie. And I believe that. Even taking less than the midpoint to go to contender nor far from where he lives in Utah, as Guthrie did in going to Colorado, $8.2 million is still a big salary for someone with now 47 career victories.

Duquette pointed out that they could keep Hammel and Lindstrom for two years, not one, as if this was a big selling point. But I think Orioles people just felt it was time to move on. And if they thought that was the case, it probably was.


Comments

Since: Apr 22, 2011
Posted on: February 8, 2012 12:26 pm
 

Making sense of a non-sensical Orioles trade

this dosent make any sence to me AT ALL Guthrie is a quality pitcher and pitching is in demand so im sure they could of swong a better deal then Lindstrom & Hammel both decent pitchers but not what the O's need come on now.



Since: May 22, 2007
Posted on: February 8, 2012 6:43 am
 

Making sense of a non-sensical Orioles trade

Have to agree with MrBeaglesworth here...for all the good he has done, Jeremy Guthrie might as well be Woody Guthrie. The Orioles are a team going nowhere and they have traded their ace(use the term loosely) for two also rans from the Rockies( and ), and so, their team is still going nowhere unless both of the guys they picked up have career years. I kind of doubt it. Sometimes, a change of scenery is all a pitcher needs to become motivated again...we'll see if this is true for Guthrie.



Since: Sep 15, 2006
Posted on: February 7, 2012 9:52 pm
 

Making sense of a non-sensical Orioles trade

The fact that their staff ACE is a pitcher with a plus 4 ERA says they def needed move in diff direction and it sends a statement to the rest of the team that no one is safe and they need play their butts off to keep their jobs IMO and Hammel could surprise few people and fit in well with this young staff in baltimore and if they could get some good bounces in their favor the Orioles young pitchers could be very good and Hammel isnt a bad 3 or 4 or even a 2 on this staff



Since: Aug 20, 2008
Posted on: February 7, 2012 8:08 pm
 

Making sense of a non-sensical Orioles trade

Huh?  First of all if Guthrie is your "ace" your team stinks.  Second, Guthrie isn't a good pitcher, what in the world would anyone expect to get for him?  Hammel stinks and Lindstrom is always hurt, but ultimately this is a nothing trade between two teams going nowhere in 2012.  When your team needs to "move on" from a bum like Guthrie...well that says it all about the Orioles franchise.  On the plus side he does eat innings and seems to get enough start to threaten 20 losses every year.  Maybe pitching against teams like SF, LA and SD will off set his home park, but ultimately this is just a bunch of baggage getting moved around.



Since: Mar 15, 2011
Posted on: February 7, 2012 7:34 pm
 

Making sense of a non-sensical Orioles trade

Basically, you have a losing team trading a guy with a losing record, for other pitchers who on this team will also have losing records. So, there really is no loss or gain, until the Orioles put a decent team on the field, which they haven't done in a long time. 
 



Since: Aug 1, 2011
Posted on: February 7, 2012 7:17 pm
 

Making sense of a non-sensical Orioles trade

Kind of a dumb article.  Guthrie had few seekers. Orioles needed a change of direction and bullpen help big time.  Hammel has the ability to be lights out and has figured out a new pitching strategy for himself.  He has a wicked curveball that will break even more in Baltimore's humidity.  They can use him as a starter or long relief guy.  Lindstrom is great setup man with the ability to step in and close if needed as a fall back.

Rockies get a great character guy that eats innings.  He gets a change of scenery and some offense behind him.  He will pitch in many NL Pitchers parks and not face a DH.  His record could flip flop with that and not having to face the AL East beasts.  Good trade.  These writers just don't pay attention to west players so they think they get screwed.  Not the case.  O's fans got a couple good pitchers and Rox too.  Win/Win  move on.



Since: Mar 5, 2010
Posted on: February 7, 2012 4:51 pm
 

Making sense of a non-sensical Orioles trade

Hammel isn't as bad as you think. Him not having to pitch half of his games in Colorado is huge. Also, he's 29 while Guthrie is 32. You really can't say that Guthrie is going to pitch far better than Hammel because he's on the wrong side of 30 while Hammel is still on the right side of it.

Also, the addition of Lindstrom can't really hurt that bullpen - can it?



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 7, 2012 4:21 pm
 

Making sense of a non-sensical Orioles trade

I personally felt that the Orioles fared well in this deal. They get a pitcher who is 29 versus Guthries 32. And it happens to be a pitcher who can easily match Guthrie's performance from here on out. 

How can you say that? Guthrie has one thousand starts in the A.L East with a 4.19 career era while the starter they are picking up has a career era of 5 in the N.L !  How can you possibly predict a pitcher is going to go from the N.L to the A.L and drop his era by a full run? 

Sure, maybe a few starts in Baltimore will work out better then a few starts in Colorado but don't forget pitchers in the N.L face pitchers and pinch hitters 4 times per game, not to mention the small ball and automatic outs that exist in the N.L you don't see as much of in the A.L.

Guthrie is a very good proven starter.  The guy they picked up is a clown compared to Guthrie, there isn't anything remotely comparable between the 2 except they are both starting pitchers.  



Since: Aug 20, 2006
Posted on: February 7, 2012 4:04 pm
 

Making sense of a non-sensical Orioles trade

Why question the Lowly O`s, having lousy pitching is a constant Guthrie or not.  Lidstrom is a nice add to the most flammable bullpen in the bigs.  That dude makes Brandon Lyon or Kevin Gregg look reliable.  Also folks remember it`s Dan Duquette, he`s not going to fix the mess.  



Since: Mar 5, 2010
Posted on: February 7, 2012 3:58 pm
 

Making sense of a non-sensical Orioles trade

This trade is a matter of opinion and just because one holds the job of being a journalist on a national website does not make him right.

I personally felt that the Orioles fared well in this deal. They get a pitcher who is 29 versus Guthries 32. And it happens to be a pitcher who can easily match Guthrie's performance from here on out. They also added a reliever that can compete to be their closer with his overpowering stuff. Any team with Jim Johnson or Kevin Gregg slated as their closers can't be really making a mistake if they bring in another guy to compete for that role - can they?

Guthrie may work out well for the Rockies, but this trade is just a matter of opinion in who won. It certainly isn't a stupid trade. If anything is stupid, it's this article that ignores the other view of this trade.


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