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Lots of holes in cost-conscious Red Sox

Posted on: February 9, 2012 12:04 pm
Edited on: February 9, 2012 2:05 pm
Bobby Valentine was thrilled to get the job as Red Sox manager. But did he know he might be going to spring training without a starting shortstop and only three set-in-stone starting pitchers?

Young, bright Ben Cherington had to be excited to ascend to the Red Sox GM job. But did anyone tell him he'd have to operate like a small-market club?

With little more than a week to go before things start getting under way in the spring camp of the historic team, their starting shortstop is Nick Punto. If it isn't Mike Aviles. And their rotation is one big puzzle. At least 40 percent of it is.

Red Sox management has found a novel way to change the story from the chicken-and-beer parties to something else. Of course, the Valentine hiring helps, because there is no better manager at getting his team positive and interesting publicity. But how to cover the fact that they have major questions in three key spots and their owner has apparently decided to spend his resources on soccer instead?

The hiring of Valentine was a brilliant stroke, even if it did take a nudge from team president Larry Lucchino and upper management. And the wise trades for Andrew Bailey and Mark Melancon satisfy the question of how they'll replace Jonathan Papelbon in the bullpen. But now, what are they going to do for a starting shortstop and two starting pitchers? (They have made an offer to Roy Oswalt, but it appears he will sign elsewhere.)

It's obvious poor Cherington was given pennies to try to compete with the Yankees and Rays, perhaps the two best teams in baseball, following the departure of his legendary mentor Theo Epstein. Epstein got $18.5 million from the Cubs and Papelbon got $50 million from the Phillies. But the biggest free agent signing Red Sox owner John Henry authorized was that of Valentine, whose contract isn't known. But we'll assume over his two years, he beat Cody Ross' $3 million (though that's on a one-year deal) and the eminently scrappy Punto's $3 million (two years). The other free agents, Vicente Padilla and Kelly Shoppach, were even less money.

Cherington showed some ingenuity in landing both Bailey and Melancon for the pen, reinforcements that will be sorely needed with a rotation that appears highly questionable. Beyond Jon Lester, Josh Beckett and Clay Buchholz, who incidentally is returning from a back injury, the Red Sox will hope reliever-turned-starter Daniel Bard can fill one of the remaining rotation spots and that someone from Padilla, Carlos Silva and a host of similar possibilities can be the No. 5 man. Cherington was also made to save money to allow him to make even the cheapie moves he did execute, leading him to trade starting shortstop Marco Scutaro at a $6 million savings.

Boston's total outlay of cash was less than $10 million (not counting Valentine). Henry hasn't explained the sudden frugality. But here's one guess: He overspent on soccer.

Henry's outlay of loot for his Liverpool soccer team was $179 million this year, or about 20 times what he spent on the Red Sox. Forward Andy Carroll got 35 million pounds ($54.7 million), forward Luis Suarez got 23 million pounds ($35.9 million), midfielder Stewart Downing 20 million pounds ($31.2 million), midfielder Jordan Henderson 16 million pounds ($25 million), midfielder Charlie Adam 7.5 million pounds ($11.7 million), defenseman Sebastian Coates seven million pounds ($10.9 million) and defenseman Jose Enrique got 6.3 million pounds ($9.8 million).

That's all great for Liverpoool.

Now, can any of them pitch or play shortstop?


Since: Aug 1, 2009
Posted on: February 9, 2012 9:44 pm

Lots of holes in cost-conscious Red Sox

On top of those sums paid to other clubs, and not the players. There is also one other thing that is not mentioned, the monies recieved from the sale of players, I believe they sold Fernando Torres to Chelsea for 52 million pounds just before they bought Andy Carroll, thats a profit of 17 million pounds!!! I wish these writers would tell the whole story!

Since: Nov 30, 2010
Posted on: February 9, 2012 9:34 pm

Lots of holes in cost-conscious Red Sox

Hey Red Sox fans,it is going to be a long season.

Since: Feb 9, 2012
Posted on: February 9, 2012 9:25 pm

Lots of holes in cost-conscious Red Sox

Just FYI regarding the figures the Liverpool players 'got' - those are just their transfer fees. As in, those figures are what Liverpool had to pay the players existing club for the right to sign them. This has nothing to do with the players salary, which to be paid to the player on top of the transfer fee paid to the players previous club!

So Andy Carroll didn't 'get' 35 million pounds - Liverpool had to pay his previous club, Newcaslte United, that amount in order to sign him. Once that transaction is complete, Liverpool still have to pay Carroll a salary.

It is similar to the fee the Red Sox paid to Dice-K's Japanese club in order to sign him.

Just thought I'd clarify that, as you yanks seem to struggle with how 'Sawker' works in the rest of the world....

Since: Jul 24, 2009
Posted on: February 9, 2012 9:22 pm

Lots of holes in cost-conscious Red Sox

When comparing the Yankees rotation and Boston  the Boston rotation is more solid.  After CC all of the Yankees starters come with a ton of question marks.  Nova has only done it one year and will he suffer the same sophomore slump that Phil Hughes did.  Is Phil Hughes able to ever recover.  Can both new starters pitch in the AL East?  AJ Burnett is totally useless and is only there because his contract. Garcia fooled many last year can he do it again?
The Sox rotation has just as many question marks as the Yankee rotation does.  Is Buchholtz going to be able to stay healthy the entire season??  Are Bard and Aceves going to handle the workload of being full time starters??  The Sox are going to need to depend on these guys a lot this year with Dice-K and Lackey out for most of the season. 

Since: Feb 9, 2012
Posted on: February 9, 2012 9:20 pm

Understanding Transfers in soccer


 Jon Heyman doesn't seem to understand how the transfer system works in soccer. He said of John Henry "Andy Carroll got 35 million pounds ($54.7M), which is not correct. Carroll came from another English club, Newcastle, to Liverpool. Liverpool pays Newcastle for Andy Carroll. Andy Carroll does not directly receive $54.7 million.  Liverpool submitted the highest bid for Carroll and Newcastle accepted. They did something similar when they also bought Saurez from the Dutch club Ajax. What they have in European Football isn't like the free agent market here in America where you sign players or trade them. They are instead "transferred" for a fee that goes to the club. The individual player gets paid on wages and a signing bonus. But keep in mind Liverpool has recovered $70 million on player sales and are expected to earn 300 million pounds on their new kit deal.

Since: Nov 4, 2007
Posted on: February 9, 2012 8:21 pm

Lots of holes in cost-conscious Red Sox

...aaaand this is the type of brilliance that informed journalism like Jon's begets.  My fellow Americans, you make it so hard for me to just go on enjoying my Padres and Chargers and resist the pull of limiting myself to exclusively following the beautiful game.
NB: this guy above just actually said (thought it's buried near the end) "If I'd have known this was going to happen I'd have rooted for Hitler".  HTH.

Since: Apr 11, 2008
Posted on: February 9, 2012 8:19 pm

Lots of holes in cost-conscious Red Sox

Quick hint, players don't "get" the transfer fee received for them in soccer.

I realise CBS doesn't even have a soccer section but that's just basic sports knowledge.

For instance Carroll's former team Newcastle received the money for him, not Carroll. Carroll did get quadruple the wages he was on from $30-120k a week.

And there's no mention of the money that Liverpool received from their transfers, such as the $75 million they got for selling Fernando Torres to Chelsea.

In short this is an embarrassingly inept attempt at a story on a sport you cleary know very little about.

Since: Feb 4, 2011
Posted on: February 9, 2012 8:16 pm

Lots of holes in cost-conscious Red Sox

Liverpool. shit team. shit firm.

Since: Nov 4, 2007
Posted on: February 9, 2012 8:13 pm



Sports writers often get slammed for their opinions, but it's seldom that they just flat refuse to do even the slightest bit of research.

If you don't like (or respect) soccer, no big deal.  When you print patently false information as a core part of your article...ehhh... don't people lose jobs over sloppiness like that?  Carroll didn't "get" 35M pounds any more than Yu Darvish "got" the $51.7M sent to the Ham Fighters.

This type of obliviousness and elitism is embarassing.  It would be one thing if there was some misinformation about an obscure sport from a tiny isolated country.  It's the EPL the highest profile sports league in the world, and one of the highest profile sporting franchises in the history of sport.  Having an underling do even 5 minutes of "wiki" research would have made this article/blog/bleacher report at least printable.

Ugh... really, I prefer CBS for baseball, football and fantasy usage, but I find Soccernet pulling me back to ESPN on the daily.

CBS: why the refusal to have decent soccer reporting?  Or perhaps even just a stronger fact checking team?  It seems like soccer merits more reporting than, say, Bowling or Girls Volleyball Rankings?  Why not pay a few college grads $15 bucks an hour to avoid this type of oversight/laziness?

Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: February 9, 2012 8:05 pm

Lots of holes in cost-conscious Red Sox

I am a recovering Red Sox fan.By that I mean I've lived & died with the Sox for 46 years.Last year was the straw that broke the camels back.The players made over 160 million$,missed the playoffs,  & drank beer until they were merry....As far as they were concerned, they had a GREAT season.I know I'll be called every name in the book, not the least of which is traitor.As far as I'm concerned I've put in my time starting with Bob Gibson owning the Red Sox in '67.I survived 75, 78,86,& many other"Wait til next year"seasons.The 2012 season is shaping up to be one of the worst seasons yet, but that's not why I'm done with the BRS.Hell, I've lived through more bad years than I care to remember & I didn't give up on them then.I'm giving up on them now for several reasons.Kevin Youkilis is one of the biggest reasons.He's making 12M$ & instead of flailing away at curveballs he's more suited to toss bags of trash on the truck.The main reason I HATE this jerk is the way he insinuated Ellsbury was somehow milking his injury the year before.The fact is Jacoby was involved in a horrific colision that seperated 3 ribs from the rest of his body.This coming from a guy who practicly lives on the DL.Ellsbury answered the bell in 2011 with a season Youkilis could only dream about.Jacoby is still very young & is destined to be a superstar, but it wont be for the Red So and that ticks me off to no end.Nevertheless that's still not the reason I'm leaving the only favorite team I've ever known.
From what I understand  the ownership of the BRS cares more about the neanderthal of all sports much more than the greatest game ever invented-BASEBALL.So it stands to reason that instead of signing a top of the line MLB player like  Jacoby,& probably Lester.Instead some guy who can kick a soccer ball will  get a contract that will dwarf anything that will be tendered to the likes of a Dustin Pedroia.
As far as I'm concerned anyone who owns a stinking soccer team should be banned from owning a MLB, or NFL team.They can have the entire NHL & NBA teams & all the drama that comes with it, but they are more interested in wrecking a storied team like the BRS in favor of that borefest called soccer. Wars have been fought for less.
As far as owning ANY MLB team #@! ! Boston is looking at a 4th place finish-maybe even 5th because all the money earmarked to sign big name players will be spent on players whos only talents are jogging & kicking the ball.Once in a great while there may even be a score.HOW EXCITING!
We are in the beginning phase of losing our favorite pasttime to that drunkfest called Soccer & noone seems to care 1 iota.If I'd have known this was going to happen I'd have rooted for Hitler!At least then we would have known the enemy & his sport & then we could have eliminated them both, saving not only American lives, but OUR sport at the same time.I know the English are responsible for this mess & maybe we should have turned Patton on them too!!After all, It wouldn't be the first time.

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