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Francona all wet with rip of Bobby V.'s beer ban

Posted on: February 27, 2012 4:53 pm
Edited on: February 27, 2012 5:07 pm
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Terry Francona derided his Red Sox managerial replacement Bobby Valentine's decision to ban beer in Boston's clubhouse as a "PR move'' while talking on one of his new employer's new shows. That banning beer became obvious and necessary due to Francona running a Romper Room the previous year was never mentioned.

Francona can have an opinion here if he wants, but it needs to be said in context. And here's the proper context: Francona's lax policing of a clubhouse gone wild necessitated this move by Valentine, which he likely would have done anyway.

Valentine banned alcohol in the Mets clubhouse and, as he pointed out, nearly 20 clubs have banned alcohol. Why the other 10 haven't remains a mystery.

Nothing good can come from drinking in a clubhouse, and the Red Sox's in-game beer drinking by three of its key pitchers last year covered that team in shame. Two, Jon Lester and Josh Beckett, owned up to their mistake. How about Francona owning up to the fact he took a paycheck to do practically nothing last year?

Francona was there, but he wasn't there. He needed to speak to several of his players last year, and he blew it off. Instead, he called a team meeting, when at least 20 of the guys in the meeting probably wondered why Francona wasn't calling in Lester, Beckett and John Lackey individually. He mishandled the situation, and he managed to lose a job he appeared to own.

Now he's spouting off for cash. As Valentine -- who in a twist was Francona's TV predecessor -- said in a retort to the Red Sox writers: "Remember, you're getting paid over there for saying stuff. You get paid over here for doing stuff. I've done both.''

Francona will continue to get paid for saying stuff. But it is a more valid opinion when he targets someone other than the one guy in baseball who took his job.


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Since: Mar 1, 2012
Posted on: March 1, 2012 9:19 am
 

Lack of context? Pot kettle black......


If this post was just a not-even-veiled rip job of a broadcaster by a reporter looking to curry favor with a newly minted big market manager it would be one thing. Slimy, but at least productive. But that fact that it's Bobby V's not-so-secret admirer, Heyman, sticking up for him gives me chills (you know the kind). But the worst thing about it is that Heyman accuses Francona of not properly contextualizing his comments, which is actually a false claim, while Heyman fails miserably at the same task. Heyman says Francons's comments came "while talking on one of his new employer's new shows." First, wasn't it on Mike & Mike? That's not a new show is it? Maybe he meant "news shows" but just failed to edit himself beyond clicking spellcheck- a disturbing new standard for journalists working on the intrawebs. Second, saying that his comments came "while talking," though factually accurate, does not convey the actual context at all. I suppose that reporting Francona's comments came as an answer to a direct question about the beer ban might dull the point of his attack, but it would also be a more accurate portrayal of the events. Pesky truth. It is funy though- totally skewing a comment's context in order to bash that comment for lacking context is a bold and tricky (if not ethically dubious) play. Perhaps there's a future in politics for Jon.

Listen, I like it very much when Jon Heyman gets personnel news seven minutes before the other guy, or when one of his other crushes plays out in a way that offers us a better view of how the sausage is made. I just don't need his opinions. Investigative reporting and light analysis- good. Hit pieces more appropriate to a highschooler's Facebook wall- bad.



Since: Aug 25, 2006
Posted on: February 29, 2012 2:36 pm
 

Francona all wet with rip of Bobby V.'s beer ban

bobby valentine might not make it the entire year..

 

he has the biggest mouth in sports and will surely say something that will get him fired when the sox are in 4th in their division( which can easily happen in a loaded AL EAST)




Since: Mar 17, 2010
Posted on: February 29, 2012 10:05 am
 

Francona all wet with rip of Bobby V.'s beer ban

Question is when did it start? I don't think it was with bobby v. unless it was his last 2 years...

"Early in the game, the Lone Ranger got up and did a dance in the crowd (he left before anyone could thank him), and in the 10th inning a few Mets employed a beer rally to get things going, running into the clubhouse to pound a brew. It's an old tradition, and one that involved only players who were out of the game, manager Bobby Valentine said."

http://articles.nydailynews.com/200

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Since: Feb 28, 2012
Posted on: February 28, 2012 6:26 pm
 

Francona all wet with rip of Bobby V.'s beer ban

Doesn't Terry Francona look a lot like Donald pleasence from Halloween



Since: Oct 26, 2006
Posted on: February 28, 2012 4:17 pm
 

Francona all wet with rip of Bobby V.'s beer ban

"But it is a more valid opinion when he targets someone other than the one guy in baseball who took his job."

Heyman... did you even bother to found out how the topic came up?  Greeney from Mike & Mike asked him his thoughts on the topic.  So he responded to the topic.  He didn't go after him and said it's his way of stating the clubhouse is his.  If a guy wants a beer, he can probably get a beer.  There's no conversation. 

Heyman, you get paid for stafying stuff.  You will have a valid opinion when you start writing on subjects other then garbage.  I'd much rather here why Guti the Mariners CF had to leave practice early instead of finding twitter reports it could be his surgery.




Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: February 28, 2012 4:15 pm
 

Francona all wet with rip of Bobby V.'s beer ban

This story is much about nothing. The Sox choked big time last year but I doubt it had anything to do with beer. Francona did win two titles there and the team was able to drink then. Prople are already forgetting what Valentine said when working for ESPN last year about Beckett. Teams get tired of listening to the same voice after awhile. It's the same in all pro sports. Yes it was time for Tito to go but not because they drank beer in the clubhouse.

The Red Sox need to worry more about their starting rotation, shortstop and rightfield.

Valentine with his comment about getting paid to say things nailed it. Only to the media lookinmg for a story during spring training is this a big deal.



Since: Feb 28, 2012
Posted on: February 28, 2012 2:27 pm
 

Francona all wet with rip of Bobby V.'s beer ban

Where hAVE THE METS GONE since the ban of alchol in the clubhouse and is the ban still in place



Since: Feb 28, 2012
Posted on: February 28, 2012 1:50 pm
 

Francona all wet with rip of Bobby V.'s beer ban

You Can,t knock a manager who down 3-0 to the Yankees and comes back to win the World Series these guys are over twenty one.Francona had a lot going on in his head when this went down,and relied on some Vetrans ,some are retired now,because they did not do their job.Good luck Tito in everything that you do and God Bless Your Family,and Be God Safe



Since: Jan 18, 2011
Posted on: February 28, 2012 12:25 pm
 

Francona all wet with rip of Bobby V.'s beer ban

Sour grapes, Francona.  It's not Booby V's fault you couldn't control your players.



Since: Feb 27, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2012 12:12 pm
 

Francona all wet with rip of Bobby V.'s beer ban

What's the big deal? No major league players should drink in the clubhouse. They are essentially still at work. You want a beer, pop over to the Pub or go home and crack a cold one out of the public eye. Good call on Valentine's Part. It just shows profesionalism.



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