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One final thought on Talladega

Posted on: October 8, 2008 11:03 am
 
In a nutshell, NASCAR leaves too many "rules" open to interpretation.

After Sunday's race, officials made it sound like the yellow line rule was written in concrete. "Pass below the yellow line," they said, "and a driver will be penalized."

Of course, there are plenty of examples where it wasn't concrete. So what gives?

I'm on board with those who think that if the roles were reversed and it was Regan Smith in the lead and Tony Stewart ducking low, officials would have then said Stewart was forced down and given him the victory.

It's an easy rule to fix to make it so that are no future controversies.

Either ...

A. Eliminate the yellow line rule. It's a bogus rule anyway. At every other track there is no such thing as out of bounds. Why do it at Talladega and Daytona? It has done nothing to curb the accident rates at the two tracks

or

B. Make it so there is no passing below the yellow line PERIOD. It doesn't matter whether you're forced down or not. You cannot pass. Consider it a second wall. Forget saying a driver could be penalized for forcing another below the yellow line if you never really intend to make that call.

I'd prefer A over B.

NASCAR is a sport where judgement calls really shouldn't have to be made. I see one driver cross the finish line ahead of the other, the first guy should be the winner. It should be as simple as that.

Category: Auto Racing
Tags: NASCAR, Talladega
 
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Since: Aug 14, 2006
Posted on: October 10, 2008 10:23 am
 

One final thought on Talladega

Brian, have you ever played a computer game involving those tracks,  When you come off the banking then climb back up there is no possibility of regaining control.  That is what Happened to Dale Sr.  If he had been 300' further down the track he would have gone through the infield and not hit the wall but because he went off the banking then came back on it shoots you straight to the wall.  And 'Dega is steeper so the shot is going to be faster. 

Bad example, because it don't matter what track I'm at in those computer games, I always find the wall. I use the walls as my brakes.

Again, my thoughts are the DEI cars should not have allowed it to come to that type of play to begin with.  They had nothing to lose, everything to gain and they should have pulled out in front of Elliott Sadler and went with him forcing Tony to try and pull a Michael Waltrip and block two lines of cars not just one.  Who knows Regan may not have won but the 8 car that was shuffled back on the re-start may have.

 


Now that I can somewhat agree with. I thought they waited much too long to make their move. But that was a first for them, those DEI boys don't have a lot of experience racing for the win, no matter what the type of track.



Since: Sep 15, 2006
Posted on: October 10, 2008 7:19 am
 

One final thought on Talladega

This is just ANOTHER example of why NACAR has empty seats and is losing fans right and left.....you CANNOT continue to change the rules in the middle of the game and expect to have any creditability....2 problems here, Tony forced Smith below the line ( he had to ) and drivers have been told ( as late as Saturday ) if you can see the checkered flag, all bets are off. So, what does NASCAR do? Both of the above happened, and NASCAR realizes they've done it again....That's about the 5th or 6th time THIS year alone that they've either changed the rules in the middle of a race, or flat out made it up as they go along. NASCAR now sucks. TV coverage sucks because of all the friggin comercials, who can stand to watch a race for 4 1/2 hours and miss about 10 pits stops and restarts because we're at a comercial break. AND....boggity, boggity.........if I have to hear that one more time, I'm going to puke. And how is Michael Waltrip still allowed to set foot in a racecar ?



Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: October 9, 2008 2:29 pm
 

One final thought on Talladega

Umm, thanks Jakazz? Why does that pain you?

It just seems that usually I have a different opinion than you. Your view might be correct (rarely), but I just tend to have a different vision of things.

An example was the blog you did on the 2009 IndyCar Series schedule. I didn't respond to that blog for weeks, you probably didn't even notice that I did because of the time lapse.

I respect your opinion, as misguided as it might be.

(or maybe I just wanted to do the 'ol WWE double team on Mikey) 




Since: Aug 15, 2006
Posted on: October 9, 2008 11:48 am
 

One final thought on Talladega

Brian, have you ever played a computer game involving those tracks,  When you come off the banking then climb back up there is no possibility of regaining control.  That is what Happened to Dale Sr.  If he had been 300' further down the track he would have gone through the infield and not hit the wall but because he went off the banking then came back on it shoots you straight to the wall.  And 'Dega is steeper so the shot is going to be faster. 

I agree that NASCAR has no consistent judging and I have yet to see anyone be penalized for forcing someone below the yellow line.  If they were going to enforce such a rule it should have been done earlier in the race when Juan Got forced off the track.  But what happened, he got back in line where he was at.  No pass attempted.

Again, my thoughts are the DEI cars should not have allowed it to come to that type of play to begin with.  They had nothing to lose, everything to gain and they should have pulled out in front of Elliott Sadler and went with him forcing Tony to try and pull a Michael Waltrip and block two lines of cars not just one.  Who knows Regan may not have won but the 8 car that was shuffled back on the re-start may have.




Since: Aug 14, 2006
Posted on: October 9, 2008 11:32 am
 

One final thought on Talladega

Umm, thanks Jakazz? Why does that pain you?

In any case, my biggest point of contention is the force down rule. There is no clear indication what NASCAR considers forcing somebody below the yellow line. It seems to me that in the process of trying to block Smith from gaining position on him, Stewart forced him below the yellow line. Did Smith have other options? Yes, wreck Stewart or back off. Perhaps if officials think a driver had other options than ducking below the yellow line, NASCAR doesn't consider it being forced down. But it's not clear in the least.

Secondly, thanks for the history lesson Mikeyfan, but I know why the yellow-line rule was introduced, it's just that in my opinion, it's not necessary. Yes, I remember a couple of instances where a driver got off the banking and then whe he got back on it shot him up unexpectedly.

But if NASCAR really wants to curb the number of accidents at Talladega and Daytona they just shouldn't race there. It's the nature of beast. Sure the yellow-line rule nixed one way in which the combatants sometimes wrecked, but was it really that much more serious of a problem then anything else these drivers do at the restrictor-plate tracks?

What about bump-drafting, which has just gotten completely out of control. Whatever happened to NASCAR policing that situation?




Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: October 9, 2008 1:22 am
 

One final thought on Talladega

Mikey, it really pains me to have to side with BDLS, but c'mon. NA$CARE has waffled all over the place on what this rule is, and exactly how it is enforced. I know that you are aware of the site, but take a look at all of the different statements that they have made since Sunday:

 

They are simply now taking the stance that if we say it loud enough, everybody will believe it to be true.

My favorite quote is this one: (From Race Director David Hoots)

 

This is your warning. If you race below the yellow line and in the judgement of NASCAR you advance your position, you will be black flagged. If, in NASAR’s judgement you force someone below the yellow line in an effort to stop him from passing you , you may be black flagged”

So, there it is. It all depends on how we feel. I don't recall MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, etc... having a rule that is determined by a whim of the league. ("Sorry, Mr. Morneau, but if we allow that homerun to stand, that would mean the Red Sox would lose this game, so we are not going to allow it. The rule clearly states that when a ball is hit over the outfield fence, you may be awarded a homerun ")

This all comes back to one big issue, why doesn't NA$CARE just allow the rulebook to be seen? 




Since: Aug 15, 2006
Posted on: October 8, 2008 8:05 pm
 

One final thought on Talladega

Brain, NASCAR has come out and said "No Passing below the Yellow Line Period".  Mike Helton made the announcement I believe it was Monday. 

Now as for why the rule,  Call it the Dale Earnhardt rule.  With the speed and the amount of banking in the turns to come off the flat and onto the banking would shoot the car straight into the wall.  Or into the pack.  No other tracks longer than a 1/2 mile are banked like 'Dega and Daytona.  That is why the rule was implemented after they paved the grassy areas along the straight aways.  Remember they paved the Straights because of crashes like Rusty Wallaces and Dale Earnhardts whose cars flipped wildly when they were forced off the track and went into a wet grass and the nose of the car dug into the dirt. 

I know most people wanted to see the underdog win, but in this case I believe NASCAR made the right call.  Regan started his move in the Tri-Oval and even if the "if you can see the flag stand you can pass below the yellow line" rule existed; there was no way that Regan could see the Flag Stand where he made his move.  And its where you start the pass not where you finished it.  And NASCAR has always been consistent with that one.



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