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Non-BCS Schools Making Their Mark

Posted on: September 22, 2008 10:49 am
Edited on: September 22, 2008 2:56 pm
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Every year a non-BCS team makes a move and challenges for a BCS Bowl.

This year we have more than just one and they are all making their mark in the latest CBSSports.com 120 poll.

Could two of them crash the party this year? Anything is possible, but the decision would fall on the bowls.

According to the BCS rules:

The champion of Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, or the Western Athletic Conference will earn an automatic berth in a BCS bowl game if either:

  A. Such team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings, or,

  B. Such team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls.

No more than one such team from Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, and the Western Athletic Conference shall earn an automatic berth in any year. If two or more teams from those conferences satisfy the provisions for an automatic berth, then the team with the highest finish in the final BCS Standings will receive the automatic berth, and the remaining team or teams will be in the pool of teams eligible for selection by the bowls as at-large teams.

But, a second team COULD be picked as an at-large squad if the bowls decided they wanted to go that route. So if Boise State and BYU both finished in the Top 10, only one would earn an automatic slot. 

Imagine the pressure on the Rose Bowl to either take Boise State, undefeated and ranked in the Top 10, or a two-loss Pac-10 team to preserve its Big Ten vs. Pac-10 tradition. Let the debates begin.

BYU remains the highest-ranked non-BCS team at No. 10, while conference mate Utah (4-0) checks in at No. 18. There is a good chance both teams are undefeated when they meet on Nov. 22. Imagine how big a game would be for the conference where the winner is guaranteed a spot in a BCS Bowl.

But don't count out TCU just yet. The Horned Frogs are also 4-0 and jumped from No. 42 to No. 30 this week. They meet Oklahoma this weekend, which will either enhance or squash any talk of an undefeated season.

"You get to 4-0, and not many people in the country are 4-0," TCU coach Gary Patterson said. "You do it any way you can. You should never look the gift horse in the mouth, so we're happy where we're at, and we've got to get healthy and get ready for a good Oklahoma team."

Over in the WAC, Boise State joined Fresno State into the Top 25, moving up 10 spots to No. 19 after beating Oregon. Most people wrote off the Broncos this year, including me, but they were very impressive with freshman quarterback Kellen Moore.

"With Kellen, when you give him time to see things, he'll usually find the right guy," Boise State coach Chris Petersen said. "The credit goes to Kellen and the O-line and the receivers played well, I thought they made some pays for him. We needed that against a team like this."

Boise State (3-0) and Fresno State (2-1) meet in the final game of the season in Boise on Nov. 28. This is another game that could have major BCS bowl implications, especially if the Broncos keep winning.

Now everybody knows East Carolina's story and even though they lost to N.C. State, they are still ranked at No. 20. A BCS bowl is still possible, but they are going to need lots of help because Conference USA play isn't going to help them move up the rankings.

But the other C-USA team to watch out for is Tulsa. Who sits at No. 28 at 3-0. The Golden Hurricane could run through conference play and finish undefeated, but its unlikely they would move up far enough to crack into a BCS Bowl.

And last but not least, but Ball State is now 4-0 and ranked No. 40. The Cardinals moved up 15 spots after beating Indiana 42-20. Could Ball State run through the MAC and finish undefeated? Of course they could. But don't think for a minute we'll be watching Ball State vs. Missouri in the Fiesta Bowl.

As for some of the biggest fallers:

-- West Virginia fell 30 spots from No. 21 to No. 51 after losing to Colorado and falling to 1-2.

-- Tennessee fell 25 spots from No. 27 to No. 52 after losing 30-6 to Florida and falling to 1-2.

 

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Since: Aug 31, 2006
Posted on: October 8, 2008 1:01 am
 

Non-BCS Schools Making Their Mark

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I did a little research on how the Big East and the Mountain West have done over the last 4 years against “The Big Four” (BigTen, BigXII, PAC10, SEC) and how they have done against all BCS (basically adding in the ACC).  I thought the numbers were quite revealing.<o:p></o:p>

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From 2005 to 2008
Against the Big Four:
MWC is 24-25 for a .490 winning percentage
BE is 16-18 for a .471 winning percentage
Against ALL BCS
BE is 30-33 for .476
MWC is 26-29 for .473

As some have pointed out, this year (2008) is a particularly good year for the MWC, so maybe counting one particularly good year is unfair. So, looking at the 4 years in question you see the following.
Big East vs Big Four and All BCS
2005 3-3 (.500) and 5-10 (.333)
2006 7-4 (.636) and 14-7 (.667)
2007 4-7 (.364) and 7-10 (.412)
2008 2-4 (.333) and 4-6 (.400)

Note that the Big East is around .400 3 of the 4 years, and had one really good year at .667

The Mountain West over the same time period
2005 6-6 (.500) and 7-8 (.467)
2006 4-6 (.400) and 4-8 (.333)
2007 6-9 (.400) and 7-9 (.438)
2008 8-4 (.667) and 8-4 (.667)

Note that the Mountain West, in much the same way, has 3 years around .400 and one really good year at .667.

So, what if DON'T include this year for the MWC, and don't include 2006 for the Big East?
MWC 16-21 (.432) and 18-25 (.419)
Big East 9-14 (.391) and 16-26 (.381)

So, if you say that this year is a only “a flash in the pan for the Mountain West”, it is only fair to say that 2006 was a "flash in the pan" for the Big East as well. And in the "non-flash in the pan" years for the two conferences, the Mountain West has done better.

How about Year by Year?
2005
Mountain West is better (.467 vs .333) against All BCS, and the Mountain West is better (.500 to .500 but the MWC played twice as many games) against the Big Four
2006
Big East is better (.667 to .333) against All BCS and better (.636 to .400) against the Big Four.
2007
Mountain West is better (.438 to .412) against all BCS and better (.400 to .364) against the Big Four.
2008 (so far)
Mountain West is better (.667 to .400) against all BCS and better (.667 to .333) against the Big Four.

So, in three out of four years, the Mountain West is better than the Big East against the Big Four and Against All BCS. It is close in two years (2005 and 2007) but the Mountain West comes out just a bit ahead), the Mountain West wins one year hands down, and the BigEast wins one year hands down.

In Fact, the only place where the Big East is ahead is the 4 year average with all BCS teams, where the Big East has a .476 winning percentage and the Mountain West as a .473 winning percentage. 3 one thousandths over 4 years.

Just for information sake. The numbers bear out what I think many west of the
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Since: Sep 20, 2008
Posted on: September 27, 2008 7:09 pm
 

Non-BCS Schools Making Their Mark

I to disagree, I to think the best teams should play in th BCS Bowls any team on any day can lay out a bad performance no matter if they are a power house like Ohio State or not! If I remember correctly they laid a EGG against Florida!




Since: Feb 25, 2008
Posted on: September 27, 2008 2:48 pm
 

Non-BCS Schools Making Their Mark

If Boise State and BYU both run the table BYU should get the BCS spot.Their schedule is a whole lot stronger than Boise State's.




Since: Aug 13, 2008
Posted on: September 27, 2008 10:46 am
 

Non-BCS Schools Making Their Mark

Remember Utah destroyed Pitt?  Boise St beat Oklahoma?  Why does everyone talk about Hawaii/Georgia?  It's not like Hawaii is the only team to ever lose big in a BCS bowl game.  BCS teams lose big all the time, so why do people point out Hawaii???  Why not Illinois, or any other BCS team that lost big in a BCS bowl game?




Since: Sep 25, 2008
Posted on: September 25, 2008 12:26 pm
 

Non-BCS Schools Making Their Mark

Your wrong.  I love seeing the BSC get upset just like I enjoyed the Boise and Utah BCS busters beat.........hmmmmmmm, you know I forgot already who they actually beat, but the important thing is that I remember Boise and Utah.  I remember it because it was fun to see them beat so called BCS teams.  I would love to see BYU bust one of the BCS schools this year, especially because BYU in my oppinion was the biggest reason that the BCS was created, so say what you want about non bcs schools.  The reality is, there are alot of people out there that want to see this happen and its people like you we all love to rub it into at work when it happens.  Hawaii was as bad a mismatch as the BCS match-up for Utah in the Fiesta Bowl in 05.  Utah kills Pitt 35 to 7.  Your big boys didnt play like big boys then so, you have to admit that BCS really doesnt ensure that your gonna get a good match up.  It comes down to the BCS schools being too scared to take a chance and yes, once in a while you will have the choker like Hawaii last year show up, but the same can be said of OSU against Boise and Utah against Pitt.  Dont be scared BCS...............



Since: Dec 13, 2006
Posted on: September 25, 2008 5:09 am
 

Non-BCS Schools Making Their Mark

If Boise State and Utah are the undefeated teams at seasons end, and only one(unrightfully so, they both should go) gets a BCS bowl, shouldn't that game go to Utah based on strength of schedule (MIchigan, Oregon st., TCU, BYU, and Air Force), Boise St plays two (Oregon, Fresno) quality games all season. It just seems like many here think Boise gets the nod over Utah I'm curious as to why?

Because college football is more like a beauty pageant or a gymnastic match than a real team sport.  Who gets to go to a major bowl is based on previous history, judges' bias, "tradition" (whatever that means), how much money they can bring in, and oh yes, how they did on the field.  The difference between the MWC and the WAC is that the WAC has a nice ESPN contract, so folks all over the country can watch Boise & Fresno.  The MWC has a contract that only allows out of area viewers to see them if they buy a premium package.  So even though the MWC is probably a superior conference, few people nationwide get to see them.

Besides Boise figured out how this goofy game is played and decided to market itself.  Hence the blue field.  It makes absolutely no difference on the field, but people notice.  They turned their Fiesta Bowl win into a movie, and the wedding of Ian & Chrissy was transformed into the media event of the summer.  When Utah won its BCS bowl, the coach left, the program went backwards, and the victory became an asterisk.  Three years later, everyone remembers David Boise taking down Goliath Oklahoma.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Broncos.  But Utah and the MWC need to figure out that if you play in a sport where style points count, you'd better go out and get some style!




Since: Mar 5, 2008
Posted on: September 24, 2008 6:56 pm
 

Non-BCS Schools Making Their Mark

they shouldn't




Since: Aug 31, 2006
Posted on: September 24, 2008 6:46 pm
 

Non-BCS Schools Making Their Mark

If Boise State and Utah are the undefeated teams at seasons end, and only one(unrightfully so, they both should go) gets a BCS bowl, shouldn't that game go to Utah based on strength of schedule (MIchigan, Oregon st., TCU, BYU, and Air Force), Boise St plays two (Oregon, Fresno) quality games all season. It just seems like many here think Boise gets the nod over Utah I'm curious as to why?

 




Since: Mar 5, 2008
Posted on: September 24, 2008 6:12 pm
 

Non-BCS Schools Making Their Mark

Agreed make a play off. you can even keep the BCS bowl games sties for the games and switch very year who gets the seimi-final, and NC games, kind of like march madness. you would get more games thereby creating more viewers and sponsers. If it is a 16 team playoff then who ever plays in the finals only plays 4 games. you could also split it into 4 regions just like march madness and make contracts with the 4 big broadcasting companies as to who gets what region. CBS, ABC, NBC, and FOX could each have one. there would even be enough games in the first round (8) that you could contrat some of them to ESPN so they dont feel left out.




Since: May 27, 2008
Posted on: September 24, 2008 5:16 pm
 

Non-BCS Schools Making Their Mark

Who gave you the right to speak for me or anyone else.  When you say "no one", you are speaking for yourself.  You don't want to see non-BCS schools compete for a national championship because you are from a BCS (which I feel stands for Bullshit, Cocky and Selfish) playing conference.  You mentioned the Hawai vs Georgia but failed to mention games such as Boise State vs Oklahoma.  How about the Utah Utes embarassing the Big East champ Pittsburg.  Speaking of mismatch!!!  You are as blind as the BCS Presidents who want to exclude Players, Teams, Fans, Cities and States from having to same opportunities to root our schools to a national championship.  You are part of the PROBLEM with college football.

The REAL fans want a playoff with an even playing field.  For example: NFL, ----, Div-II, NAIA, NJCC, High School, Jr. High, YAFL/POP-Warner.
Something missing?

GET OUT OF THE WAY OF PROGRESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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