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Big East, C-USA: Now what?

Posted on: April 23, 2010 2:06 pm
Edited on: April 23, 2010 4:51 pm
 

Future of College Football Graphic: Five Super Conferences

The biggest question in all this expansion talk is what is going to happen to the Big East?

If the Big Ten pulls in Connecticut, Rutgers and Pittsburgh for the Big East, the conference will be down to five teams and on life support to survive. As Dennis Dodd points out, Cincinnati, Syracuse, West Virginia and Louisville would do their best to look elsewhere and most likely join the ACC.

Links

Dodd: Part IV: Variables could spawn revolution

Dodd: Part III: Texas would cause domino effect

Dodd: Part II: A look at the Big Ten Network

Dodd: Part I: The sport will never be the same

That means the Big East basically has two options.

No. 1: Fold. Allow the lone member South Florida to go somewhere else, mostly likely to Conference USA.

No. 2: Scrape together the best teams from Conference USA and the Sun Belt to keep the Big East together.

In scenario No. 1, the Big East would realize that no matter what teams it tries to pull over, it just will never be a major player in the college football/BCS world. So just close up shop and let South Florida to go wherever it could.

With C-USA losing SMU, Houston, Tulsa, UTEP and Tulane, that means it will need to replenish to keep 12 teams and its conference title game. Currently it uses two division -- East and West -- but it's time to change to North and South.

Army and Navy might end up staying as Independents, but why? Join a conference. Now that Notre Dame is gone it's time to do away with the Independents.

New Conference USA
North South
Army Florida Atlantic
East Carolina Florida International
Marshall Southern Miss
Memphis South Florida
Navy UCF
Rice UAB
New teams in bold

Things are a little bit more tricky in the South. Who would C-USA want and why?

Well, South Florida would be an automatic, so it really only needs two teams. Forget adding anybody from the MAC and WAC, so the only choices left are from the Sun Belt.

Florida International in Miami would be high on the list, if for nothing else, because of its location. The school is located in a Top 20 television market, has more than 40,000 students, and the school is doing its best to improve the football program (it just upgraded the stadium).

By taking FIU, that makes Florida Atlantic 60 miles north in Palm Beach County a perfect fit for a travel partner in other sports. The Owls also are building a new stadium.

I'm not sure the other schools would be attractive enough for C-USA to invite. Even though Troy has had the most success football wise, it has a major downside of being in a city of less than 15,000 people.

Louisiana-Lafayette does offer the conference a chance to get back int the state of Louisiana and the city is one of the largest of all the Sun Belt schools, but FAU and FIU are more attractive on a broader scale.

Now let's talk about scenario No. 2:

The Big East decides it can stay together by pulling some of the larger teams from Conference USA and Sun Belt. So here is what an eight-team conference would look like.

New Big East New C-USA/Sun Belt
South Florida Marshall
East Carolina UAB
UCF Rice
Memphis Southern Miss
Florida Atlantic Troy
Florida International Middle Tennessee
Navy La.-Monroe
Army La.-Lafayette
  Arkansas State
  North Texas
  Western Kentucky
  Georgia State (future)

Again, not much to work with, but the conference does get Memphis, UCF, East Carolina, the two Florida schools (FAU and FIU) and two military academies (Army and Navy). Is it strong enough to pull an automatic BCS bid? Doubtful.

Plus this creates another problem. Does the Big East invite all these schools to play basketball? No offense, but adding Florida International and its 5,000-seat gym, to play basketball and hosting games against Georgetown isn't very inticing. This would have to be a football-move only.

As for Conference USA and the Sun Belt, they would have no choice but to join forces. Conference USA would be left with only four schools, while the Sun Belt has seven. It would need one more school to get back to 12 and preserve a conference title game.

It's far-fetched and definitely something down the road, but Georgia State starts football in FCS (I-AA) this season and would be a perfect fit as the 12th school.

Located in downtown Atlanta with more than 30,000 students, the Panthers would be a nice addition to the C-USA/Sun Belt Conference.

Comments

Since: Oct 14, 2006
Posted on: April 25, 2010 2:45 pm
 

Big East, C-USA: Now what?

All the conferences should blow up and we create 6 power Conferences from all the teams in the COUNTRY.

THE 6  CONFERENCES COULD BE.....

THE ACC-atlantic coast conference
THE BIG SOUTH
THE PCC-pacific coast conference
THE NEC-north east conference
THE SMWC-south mid-west conference

last either THE BIG CENTRAL or CONFERENCE USA or the BIG 10 or 16 if there are 16 teams

then think about this

THE ACC could have....CLEMSON, FLORIDA, FLORIDA STATE, DUKE, NORTH CAOLINA, MIAMI, VA TECH, MARYLAND, GEORGIA, GEORGIA TECH, BOSTON COLLEGE, NC STATE, SOUTH FLORIDA, SOUTH CAROLINA.....14 teams

THE BIG SOUTH.....ALABAMA, LSU, TEXAS, AUBURN, TEXAS TECH, OKLAHOMA, OKLAHOMA STATE, TEXAS A & M, KENTUCKY, KANSAS, ARKANSAS, TENNESSEE, OLE MISS, HOUSTON....14 teams

THE PCC....USC, OREGON, OREGON STATE, WASHINGTON, ARIZONA, ARIZONA STATE, STANFORD, FRESNO STATE, UCLA, CALIFORNIA, WASHINGTON STATE, HAWAII....12 teams

THE NEC...UCONN, RUTGERS, SYRACUSE, PENN STATE, PITTSBURGH, WEST VIRGINIA, VIRGINIA

THE SWMC....UTAH, COLORADO, BOISE STATE, BYU,

THE BIG CENTRAL....MIZZOU, NOTRE DAME, ILLINOIS, INDIANA, PURDUE, IOWA, NEBRASKA, MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN, MINNESOTA, MICHIGAN STATE, OHIO STATE, CINNCINATTI

or teams like MICHIGAN could go to the NEC, teams like NEBRASKA to the SMWC,

the BIG CENTRAL could be the BIG NORTH combining them with the NEC and making a different 6th conference all together EG CONFERENCE USA with teams spread all through USA that couldn't fit into a traditional power 5....NOTRE DAME maybe, MEMPHIS, SOUTH FLORIDA, DUKE, MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN, UTAH, BYU, CENTRAL MICHIGAN, BOISE STATE


obviously this is just a rough starting point but it's something to think about



Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: April 25, 2010 2:40 pm
 

Big East, C-USA: Now what?

Why would anyone defend the Big East?
Maybe you should take a week and enjoy the Big East tournament in New York - one of the best sports experiences there is.  Not even the ACC comes close to the Big East when basketball is considered.
The problem is that college football is already flawed.  There is no national champion.  The entire system is a joke.  Most games are totally meaningless.  
College basketball, on the other hand, is the best college sport there is.  Oh sure, certain college football *games* are phenomenal - like the great rivalry games.  And, if your lucky, the BCS could get you the occasional great game.  But in general, until there is a real champion, college football is a joke.
I've never enjoyed Big East basketball more than the past 3-4 years.



Since: Nov 29, 2006
Posted on: April 25, 2010 2:29 pm
 

Big East, C-USA: Now what?

Am I mistaken or didn't West Virginia defeat the SEC Champion (Georgia) in the Sugar Bowl? Didn't they also defeat the Big 12 Champion (Oklahoma) in the Fiesta Bowl? Is that not the best two football conferences? And the Big East team beat them both? Hmmm. That wouldn't seem to fit with your expert analyis.



Since: Nov 29, 2006
Posted on: April 25, 2010 2:28 pm
 

Big East, C-USA: Now what?

Am I mistaken or didn't West Virginia defeat the SEC Champion (Georgia) in the Sugar Bowl? Didn't they also defeat the Big 12 Champion (Oklahoma) in the Fiesta Bowl? Is that not the best two football conferences? And the Big East team beat them both? Hmmm. That wouldn't seem to fit with your expert analyis.



Since: Jan 8, 2008
Posted on: April 25, 2010 8:20 am
 

Big East, C-USA: Now what?

Look, I know we're the underdog. We've been the underdog for many years. Does that mean that I should not root for or enjoy anything my team does? Please do yourself a favor and watch the entire Pitt/West Virginia basketball games last year. Now. Find me another regular season college  basketball game that was anywhere close to as exciting as those two games were. My point is, I'm not going to stop watching the big east because you say so. Yeah the Big Ten might bring in Pitt and Rutgers , but that is completely out of my control. Once that happens, I will just start having to follow the Big preTENd, that's all. And also let me point out that your entire rant on how much money Indiana made last year IS THE REASON WHY THE BCS IS THE WAY IT IS. They will NEVER go to a playoff (which most fans want) with people like you comparing who makes more money. Seriously...who gives a shit? Its football and basketball. They are meant to be played for fun and enjoyment, not who can bring the most money in, thats for the MLB, NFL, and NBA.  Also let me point out all this mediocre talent to you for just a short second...

Antonio Freeman- Va Tech
Curtis Martin- Pitt
Ray Lewis- Miami
Marvin Harrison- Syracuse
Matt Hasselbeck- Boston College
Donovan McNabb-Syracuse
Edgerrin James-Miami
Bubba Franks- Miami
Michael Vick- Va Tech
Reggie Wayne-Miami
Antonio Bryant-Pitt
Dwight Freeney- Syracuse
Jeremy Shockey- Miami
Ed Reed- Miami
Andre Johnson- Miami
Willis Mcgahee- Miami
LJ Smith- Rutgers
Larry Fitzgerald- Pitt
Sean Taylor- Miami
Kellen Winslow- Miami
DeAngelo Hall- Va Tech
Jonathon Vilma-Miami
Adam Pac Man Jones- West Virgnia
Elvis Dumervill- Louisville
Darelle Revis- Pitt
Jeff Otah- Pitt
Ray Rice- Rutgers
Shady McCoy- Pitt
Pat White- West Virginia


Wow. Look at all those players without any talent....must've come from a shitty conference.

That's just the NFL. I've made my point, so I'm not going to do the NBA.

Anyways, I am a fan of the conference, and no, I'm not the only one. Just because YOU don't like the Big East doesn't mean I shouldn't either.





Since: Aug 14, 2006
Posted on: April 24, 2010 5:41 pm
 

Big East, C-USA: Now what?

Hi. I'm an Rutgers grad and on the fence over whether they should join the big ten if offered.  On the one hand money might be better, but they could be swallowed up by the competition.  Indiana may make more money but are they a perennial Bowl team?  And are those numbers really true?  It seems impossible.  Is it because they have a 100,000 capacity stadium?  If so, that's not going to happen for a BE school.  Can you provide some actual numbers, breaking it down? Thanks.Ken Rutgers brings in the New York/New Jersey television market. That's all you need to know on why the Big Ten wants them. Ratings = Money.



Since: Aug 14, 2006
Posted on: April 24, 2010 5:40 pm
 

Big East, C-USA: Now what?

"Now that Notre Dame is gone " - where? Under the scenario we have played out, Notre Dame is in the Big Ten. So this Big East issue takes into account that the Irish have left the Independents. 




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Since: Sep 3, 2006
Posted on: April 24, 2010 5:23 pm
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Since: Feb 5, 2009
Posted on: April 24, 2010 3:22 pm
 

Big East, C-USA: Now what?

Hi. I'm an Rutgers grad and on the fence over whether they should join the big ten if offered.  On the one hand money might be better, but they could be swallowed up by the competition.  Indiana may make more money but are they a perennial Bowl team?  And are those numbers really true?  It seems impossible.  Is it because they have a 100,000 capacity stadium?  If so, that's not going to happen for a BE school.  Can you provide some actual numbers, breaking it down? Thanks.Ken



Since: Nov 22, 2006
Posted on: April 24, 2010 1:51 pm
 

South Florida

Im not sure why everyone thinks SFlorida is the step child nobody wants. Remember that when SFlorida was pulled into the Big East it was partly to allow northeast teams to come to florida to recruit the hotbed of football talent. These guys could be assured that they would play infront of their hometown fans every other year. Tampa is also the 14th largest tv market and USF is one of 3 research universities in the State of Florida. If the Bulls do get stuck in conference USA, it is a mojor setback to the program, but i just dont see it happening.



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