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Ortiz at CBS weighins, more problems for Carano

Posted on: October 3, 2008 6:55 pm
Edited on: October 3, 2008 9:14 pm
Score: 96
 
The weigh-ins for CBS Saturday Night Fights took place Friday afternoon, and as weigh-ins go, this one was pretty eventful. Some highlights:

-- Gina Carano initially weighed in for her 140-pound bout with Kelly Kobold at 142.75 pounds -- which, due to the one-pound allowance, is actually 1.75 pounds over the limit. She was white as a ghost, walking very slowly and completely straight-faced. I would compare it to how someone looks when they are in the middle of a serious case of the flu. Clearly, Carano is still having issues getting down to 140, and it's getting to the point where you have to wonder if it's safe for her to continue cutting that much for a fight. At the very least, her method of cutting needs to be reevaluated.

This is where it gets a little bizarre. Rather than try to go cut more weight, Carano -- for the first time I can recall -- opted to weigh in again with no clothes on. Several officials shielded her from onlookers with a large towels. She removed her clothing, stepped back on the scale... and came in at 142.50 this time. Clearly upset and not feeling well, there was a few seconds of discussion on the stage, before Carano stepped onto the scale a third time. Although she didn't appear to remove any further clothing (she was already nude, as far as anyone knew), she came in at 141.0 on the third attempt. There was definitely plenty of confusion among the press and other onlookers in the room, who couldn't figure out what happened in that 10-20 seconds between weigh-in attempts that caused a 1.5 pound difference in Carano. I did not see anything personally, and I think very few people did. One theory kicked around on my side of the room was that some of the clothing Carano removed may have been sitting on the scale during the second attempt, causing the second failure, but I wasn't in a position to see her feet, so I can't confirm that.

It was definitely a curious scene.  I'll try to get an official answer about what happened between the second and third nude weigh-ins that made such a difference, but a lot of people were scratching their heads after that one.

-- After Ken Shamrock and Kimbo Slice weighed in, a wild pull-apart shoving match took place. Before the fighters did the customary staredown photo op, Kimbo turned to walk away. Shamrock got angry and yelled at Kimbo for turning his back. Kimbo didn't respond, so Shamrock shoved him -- hard -- in the back. Both camps immediately jumped into the fray, with EliteXC's Jared Shaw and Jeremy Lappen in the middle, trying to regain order. Kimbo's people seemed legitimately upset and were yelling at officials about Shamrock's behavior. The curtain backdrop in the weigh-in stage was rocking back and forth in the melee, to the point that Andrei Arlovski -- who had weighed in moments earlier -- peeked out from behind the curtain, trying to see what the commotion was.

-- This one will get the rumor mill going in a hurry: "The Huntington Beach Bad Boy" himself, Tito Ortiz, was in the house and openly mingling with the fighters and other officials. He was wearing an Affliction shirt, but no word on whether that bears any significance. Keep in mind that Affliction's deal with EliteXC is what got Arlovski vs. Roy Nelson onto this CBS show, and with Oscar De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions now working with Affliction, the group might now have the financial backing to sign a guy like Ortiz. Especially if Ortiz has come down to earth a little on his asking price. Keep in mind, few in the history of MMA have been better self-promoters than Tito Ortiz, and Ortiz clearly understands the value of being seen on a CBS broadcast. Hmm....

No word on how Tito's presence affected Shamrock, who was beaten by Ortiz three times, all by TKO, in the UFC.

-- Also in attendance: Former Strikeforce lightweight champion Gilbert Melendez, Mauricio "Shogun" Rua, Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva, Roan Carneiro, Bas Rutten, and current cast member of UFC's The Ultimate Fighter 8 (and CBSSports.com blogger!), Tom Lawlor.

-- Pro wrestling fans from years past will be happy to know that former WWE star The Warlord is currently working as part of Kimbo Slice's entourage. It's not clear how many people in attendance made that connection, but I do know Tom Lawlor was very excited, and actually seemed to startle the big man by yelling out "WARLORD!" as he walked past.

-- The only fighter to miss weight was Nicolae "Curry" Sinicio. Jorge Boechat agreed to accept the bout anyway, so it did not affect the card.

Official weigh-in results:

  • Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson (234.5) vs. Ken Shamrock (206.5)
  • Andrei Arlovski (240.75) vs. Roy Nelson (262.75)
  • Gina Carano (141) vs. Kelly Kobold (141)
  • Jake Shields (169.75) vs. Paul Daley (170) (there was a shoving match during this one as well)
  • Murilo "Ninja" Rua (185) vs. Benji Radach (185)
  • Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos (148.5) vs. Yoko Takahashi (148.5)
  • Edson Berto (157.75) vs. Conor Heun (160.75)
  • Aaron Rosa (204.75) vs. Seth Petruzelli (205.5)
  • Lorenzo Borgomeo (170.25) vs. Mickey Gomez (170.25)
  • David Gomez (138.75) vs. Bryan Hamade (138.75)
  • Jorge Boechat (159.5) vs. Nicolae "Curry" Sinicio (161.25)
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spaz0023
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Posted on: October 13, 2008 10:53 am
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Ortiz at CBS weighins, more problems for Carano

She was already featured in FHM



Rat_King
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Posted on: October 7, 2008 12:02 pm
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Ortiz at CBS weighins, more problems for Carano

How come this girl has been featured in Playboy or at least Maxim or FHM yet?


L-Train 32
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Posted on: October 5, 2008 11:21 am
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Ortiz at CBS weighins, more problems for Carano

"Is it more far-fetched to think Carano had her clothes on the scale during the second weigh-in and she didn't notice...?"

Well, hell...how much can a bra and panties weigh?



TheM@gg0t
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Posted on: October 4, 2008 6:56 pm
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Ortiz at CBS weighins, more problems for Carano

I'd say get her a smaller towel, but what do I know ;)


Denny Burkholder
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Posted on: October 3, 2008 11:10 pm
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Ortiz at CBS weighins, more problems for Carano

I posted another blog entry updating the Carano situation. I got some officials on the phone who were on the stage during the fiasco.

It was apparently a stray towel:

http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/blogs

/entry/5815454/10909765


Denny Burkholder
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babbabooey
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Posted on: October 3, 2008 10:05 pm
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Ortiz at CBS weighins, more problems for Carano

Is it more far-fetched to think Carano had her clothes on the scale during the second weigh-in and she didn't notice (even though she lost weight between the first and second weigh-in), or that they manipulated the scale to get her to make weight? The writer never mentioned that possibility because it would get him in trouble, but certainly it is in his mind.

As for Shamrock/Slice, EliteXC has so much riding on Slice that I expect if the fight goes to the ground the ref will stand them back up as fast as he can. I think Slice will knock Shamrock out before it gets to the ground, but if you don't think the ref has serious pressure on him to keep the fight standing - even before it is warranted - then you are naive.

I just don't trust this promotion. Maybe if and when they get more talent in their organization there will be fewer silly matchups, fewer  unnecessary early stoppages, fewer shoving matches during weigh-ins, etc. Stunts designed to create hype and push fight outcomes in the direction EliteXC needs to become viable, well, they stink. Maybe they are essential to create the interest EliteXC needs to stay on CBS and generate ticket sales, I don't know, but for me it makes their fights feel like slightly more violent WWE matches and that's not what I'm looking for in MMA.


Xebulba
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Posted on: October 3, 2008 9:33 pm
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Ortiz at CBS weighins, more problems for Carano

props on the avatar denny.

soooooooo, when do the cell phone pics of gina hit the net?


L-Train 32
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Posted on: October 3, 2008 8:45 pm
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Okay - so - Gina Carano's "nude"-ness aside...

...what did we learn from this weigh-in?

*That Kimbo Slice and Ken Shamrock are both on board with EliteXC's "get out of trouble by generating as much empty hype as possible" business model. They played ball by entering into the now-customary shoving match for the cameras, and were probably rewarded with a huge back-slap each from Gary Shaw. I hate to admit how interested I am about the outcome of this fight, partly because I must be the only person in the solar system who genuinely believes Shamrock enters this fight as heavy favorite, but although this little push-around hasn't HEIGHTENED my anticipation of this matchup it certainly hasn't taken away from it either.

*That Roy Nelson should change his nickname from "Big Country" to "Yokuzuna". Seriously, that kid is HUGE. Arlovski's deceptively heavy as well, but Nelson dwarved both him AND the rest of the room during the weigh-in. Rumors that the moon was temporarily blocked from view when he stepped on the scales are unconfirmed.

*That Tito Ortiz is - shock horror! - a publicity-whore. Why show up to this event? More to the point, who invited him? Think about it - SOMEONE must have cleared his appearance in the audience with Elite at some level. Why? And how much do we read into the fact that he was wearing an Affliction t-shirt? Probably not a lot, because everyone outside of Dana White's family is wearing these days, but even so - food for thought.

*That Gina Carano is killing herself for the sake of her career. Seeing Kelly Kobold hopping and duking around at 141, compared to Carano standing there (nude) like the Ghost of Christmas Past, barely saying a word, it's clear that her method of weight-cutting isn't going to stand her in good stead long-term. Bearing in mind she's the Anderson Silva of the women's game - unbeatable, anywhere, any time, by anyone with a womb - someone should definitely step in and help her out during training.

And get her a bigger towel. :)



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