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Why Steve Nash is Overrated

Posted on: January 15, 2008 4:02 pm
 

Well, all of you who know knew this was coming. It was inevitable, and I could not resist the urge. So, here we go again!

Steve Nash is overrated. Not only did he not deserve either MVP award, he also is not even in the top 10 PGs in the league. You may say, "Are you crazy? He leads the league in assists, he shoots over 50%, and he turned around the Suns and made them into a winning team now! How could you call him overrated?" Well here is your answer.

His stats are decieving because they are inflated by his team. I hate it that everyone says he makes the Suns better, when in fact it is the other way around. When Nash was on the Mavericks, he was never seen as a top PG in the league. He wasn't in the All Star game every year. He was only seen as good, but not great PG. When he was at Dallas he never averaged 9 assists per game ever. His FG % was in the 47%-48% range most of the years. His points were always around 15 ppg - 17ppg. Now that he is on the Suns, his assist sky rocketed to around 10-11 apg a year, his FG% is above 50%, and his points are above 18 ppg! Now, I don't think there would have been a single person who said the Suns had a better team than the Mavericks, so how did his stats get better after going to a worse team? The answer is simple if you have ever watched the Suns play a game. It is because the Suns run an fast break offense, where they are going to get lots of points and lots of assists, but they could care less about their defense. Which is why the Suns as a team are overrated as well. The players are going to score and get assists, especially the PG. Nash gets tons of wide open shots which inflates his FG% and points. His assists went up because he is on a higher scoring team that could care less about defense as long as they score lots of points. That's the statistically reason for why he is overrated.

I already know your next response, "Well he turned around the team, and the PG before him (Stephon Marbury) couldn't get it done!" Well, there is an explaination for that as well. The PG before him, "Starbury" could not get it done because he is a terrible PG. If you don't believe me look at the Knicks. The team turned around because they found a PG that could run their offense. He fits the system, but Im sure there are more PGs that could do just as good or better a job them him. There have been other players who joined a new team and turned them around, but never won an MVP for it. Here is an example: Jason Kidd joined the New Jersey Nets in the '01-'02 season. The previous season, '00-'01, the Nets went 26-56. The year Kidd joined the team they went 52-30! What is even better was, he took the Nets all the way to the NBA Finals! Nash has yet to get the Suns into the NBA Finals. But Jason Kidd didn't win the MVP. Why is that?

Nash does not deserve the MVP just for making his team better. He may be very valuable to his team, but there are other players who are more valuable to their team, but didn't win the award. LeBron James and Kobe Bryant are just as much or even more valuable to their team then Nash. The MVP should be given to the player who had the best year. Which is a combination of stats and your team's success. So, because he got 2 undeserving MVPs and is seen as one of the best PGs (but he is not even in the top 10), then that means he is overrated. You can call me crazy or say I don't know what I'm talking about, but if you look at all the evidence I am right.

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Since: Jul 8, 2007
Posted on: February 26, 2008 2:27 pm
 

Why Steve Nash is Overrated

You're crazy! Not by calling him overated, but you can't say he isn't top 10. He may not even be top 5(Kidd and Paul are the first that come to mind), but he's definately a good PG. Just overated.



Since: Feb 16, 2007
Posted on: January 16, 2008 9:20 pm
 

Why Steve Nash is Overrated

Are you gonna tell me you would rather have one of those kind of player over someone like LeBron James or Kobe Bryant?No, I won't go that far. I just using that as example that because you don't have the best stats doesn't mean you're not the most valuable.

And Jason Kidd is not a pass first PG? Why didn't he win it when he first joined the Nets then?Very good point. The thing about the MVP voting is that it's highly subjective.  Someone may win one year & not win with comparable stats the next year. Plus the talent level between the top point guard & 5th point guard isn't that drastic. 

That doesn't matter because we play as a team better than anyone.I agree. That's why I like Jazz.  They have players like AK, Harpring & Korver who hustle every night without much recognition.
I'd cheer for the Pistons more, but I've never liked Rasheed or Tayshaun since their college days.



Since: Sep 29, 2007
Posted on: January 16, 2008 8:14 pm
 

Why Steve Nash is Overrated

That's a good point & I can see that.  However, I personally thought it was refreshing to see a pass first point guard win it over players who on good teams would still feel like they "have" to score 50 points. 

And Jason Kidd is not a pass first PG? Why didn't he win it when he first joined the Nets then?

I also find it interesting that you cheer for a team with no clear "MVP" then don't like it when a relatively under the radar player, like Nash was at that time, wins the award. 

That is interesting isn't it? The thing is, I know that no one on the Pistons is deserving of the MVP award, but that doesn't matter because we play as a team better than anyone. That's why they are so good.

Players like Matt Harpring are the real MVPs to me anyway.  Without hustle players bringing the intangibles each night most teams won't win.Your right, those kind of guys are huge to a team, but are you gonna tell me you would rather have one of those kind of player over someone like LeBron James or Kobe Bryant? Your hustle players are important to your team, but without your they would not be able to carry a team like the star player or team leader. That's why they are so important. The MVP is the most valuable player, but it should say most valuable player to the league. If it just stood for most valuable player, then Kobe or LeBron would win it almost every year because there is no one else more valuable to their team as those 2.




Since: Feb 16, 2007
Posted on: January 16, 2008 6:29 pm
 

Why Steve Nash is Overrated

That is my point for why he didn't deserve the MVPs, because he may have turned around the team, but his stats were nothing compared to guys like Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, or LeBron James.
That's a good point & I can see that.  However, I personally thought it was refreshing to see a pass first point guard win it over players who on good teams would still feel like they "have" to score 50 points.  I also find it interesting that you cheer for a team with no clear "MVP" then don't like it when a relatively under the radar player, like Nash was at that time, wins the award. 

Players like Matt Harpring are the real MVPs to me anyway.  Without hustle players bringing the intangibles each night most teams won't win.


  



Since: Nov 13, 2007
Posted on: January 16, 2008 4:36 pm
 

Why Steve Nash is Overrated

Big B,

give him his due at least put him as the number 10 PG in the NBA.  You have to admit that he doesnt suck.




Since: Sep 29, 2007
Posted on: January 16, 2008 2:43 pm
 

Why Steve Nash is Overrated

However, the above statement bothers me.  You're kidding yourself if don't think Kobe & Lebron's stats were inflated.

How is that Shan? Because their team is worse, their stats are better? Of course, but look at their stats and then look Nash's stats. Tell me who you think had the better ones. Plus, the Suns offense is what does most of the inflating. It's not that all the players are making him look so good, but the way their offense is run which makes him look so good. How good do you someone like Chris Paul or Jason Kidd would do in that offense (do say Kidd was already there, because that was when they had a completely different team and different coach)?

 Steve Nash was able to get his teammates more involved better than any MVP candidates from those seasons.  That's why I feel he's deserving of the MVPs he received. 

If he was able to get his team involved more than any other MVP canidate then why didn't he get his team to the Finals? Jason Kidd did (with a lot worse of a team might I add), but didn't even get put in consideration for the MVP. How did that happen? You know why? Because here are his stats from that year:  14.7 ppg 9.9 apg 7.3 rpg 2.1 spg 39.1 FG%. That was not deserving of an MVP award even though he took his team (the first year he joined them) to the NBA Finals. That is my point for why he didn't deserve the MVPs, because he may have turned around the team, but his stats were nothing compared to guys like Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, or LeBron James. When it comes to the MVP, you have to look at stats first, then team success. That would be like saying a guy that averaged 40 ppg 15 rpg 3 spg 3 bpg and a 60 FG% doesn't deserve the MVP just because his team didn't have that good of a year. Some guys are not fortunate enough to be on a good team.  



Since: Feb 16, 2007
Posted on: January 16, 2008 4:00 am
 

Why Steve Nash is Overrated

His stats are decieving because they are inflated by his team.Big B,

First of all you're one of my favorite posters.  However, the above statement bothers me.  You're kidding yourself if don't think Kobe & Lebron's stats were inflated. I'm confident in saying that 85%+ of NBA superstars stats are inflated. These impact players have the ball in their hands the most & that's the reason they get paid the big money.  Steve Nash was able to get his teammates more involved better than any MVP candidates from those seasons.  That's why I feel he's deserving of the MVPs he received. 
Which is a combination of stats and your team's success.So Karl Malone shouldn't have won the MVP because he had Stockton & Hornacek taking away his stats?  You put Jordan in a Dream Team lineup with the NBA legends & his stats will diminish.   That doesn't mean he never can win an MVP award in that situation. 



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