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The Mets-Phillies Rivalry!

Posted on: February 22, 2008 8:59 pm
 

As Mike Vaccaro of the NY Post writres  - "Well, hell, it's about time."

This is becoming an intense rivalry, sometimes called the "Turnpike Series" due to the New Jersey Turnpike connection between the two cities.

The Mets-Phillies rivalry has been  said to be the second best rivalry in baseball after the Red Sox-Yankees rivalry.  I'm would not go that far as of yet, but it sure has the chance to be.

Back in Jan. 2007 Rollins made a quote that may have set the rivalry in a dead heat. Rollins stated that: "I think we are the team to beat in the NL East -- finally."  Many Mets fans and players laughed at the prediction, but the Phillies dominated the Mets in wins that season. On the final day of the season, the Phillies won the division, backing up Rollins' quote.

This year Beltran stated that, "Without Santana, we felt, as a team, that we had a chance to win in our division. With him now, I have no doubt that we're going to win in our division. I have no doubt in that. We've got what it takes. To Jimmy Rollins: We are the team to beat."

Mets fans often show up at Philadelphia's Citizens Bank Park  in large numbers, while smaller pockets of Phillies fans attend games at New York's Shea Stadium. 

The Phillies are fighting the  Curse of William Penn - sometimes used to explain the failure of professional sports teams based in Pennsylvania to win championships since the March 1987 construction of the One Liberty Place skyscraper, which exceeded the height of William Penn's statue atop Philadelphia City Hall. Since then, no Philadelphia major sports team (baseball, football, basketball, or hockey) has won a league championship.

The last professional team to win a championship in Philadelphia of the four major sports in was the Philadelphia 76ers  in the 1983.

There is even a movie on the curse  by the same name, The Curse of William Penn, was produced in 2006.

The Fanbase:

  • Mets' fanbase comes from the New York metro area, as well as southern Connecticut and northern New Jersey
  • Phillies' fanbase generally draws from the Philadelphia metro area, as well as eastern Pennsylvania, southern New Jersey, and parts of Delaware.

History:

  • Both team won a World Series during the 1980s. The Phillies in 1980 and the Mets in 1986.
  • 1st meeting April 27, 1962
  • number of meeting 783
  • all-time series -  PHI leads, 419-364
  • current streak - PHI 8 straight wins
  • Longest Mets winning streak - 10
  • Longest Phillies winning streak - 10
  • Both teams have a historic collapse. The  Phillies gave up a 6 1/2 game lead with 12 to play in 1964 - the Mets gave up a 7 game lead with 17 to play in 2007

The Phillies:

  • 1 World Series Championship
  • 5 League Championships
  • 7 Division Championships
  • 0 Wild Cards

The Mets:

  • 2 World Series Championship
  • 4 League Championships
  • 5 Division Championships
  • 2 Wild Cards

In the 46 year history between the two teams they have only finished 1-2 four times.

  • 1986 Mets 1st place Phillies 2nd place
  • 1995 Tied for 2nd place
  • 2006 Mets 1st place Phillies 2nd place
  • 2007 Phillies 1st place Mets 2nd place

Do you welcome the Rivalry?

Category: MLB
Comments

Since: Jan 15, 2008
Posted on: February 24, 2008 8:11 pm
 

The Mets-Phillies Rivalry!

Great Blog!

I've been to plenty of Mets/Phillies games at the Vet and at Citizen's Bank and have never had anyone talk $hit to me for wearing a Mets hat or other Mets gear.  The Phillies fans are nothing like Eagles fans.  Plus, just like many have said, this is nothing like Yankees/Red Sox. 

Looking forward to the season - definitely like that Beltran finally got vocal - now back it up on the field and....................

..........................LETS GO METS!!!!!




Since: Apr 22, 2007
Posted on: February 23, 2008 9:11 pm
 

The Mets-Phillies Rivalry!

I agree that this has the potential to be a great rivalry, but it's not there yet. Both teams need to consistently compete for the division and play each other competitively. I've never really considered the Mets & Braves rivals because while Atlanta was dominating the division, the Mets were often struggling to reach .500... and even when they did field competitive teams during the Bobby Valentine years , they still struggled against the Braves. Only when the Bravos began to age and retool in the last few years did the Mets gain the upper-hand, so it's not exactly like the BoSox taking down the Yanks. The other thing about the Braves -- I never really hated them. Found them annoying? Sure, but not much more than that. I realize this probably puts me in the minority among Mets fans, but that's one of those little things that keeps life as a sports fan interesting, right?

To really find a decent Mets rivalry, you've got to go back to the '80s when they battled with the Cardinals. Now that was a team to hate (or at least dislike intensely) -- and I'm sure Cardinals fans felt the same way about the orange & blue. If the Mets-Phillies rivalry could become what Mets-Cardinals was back then, I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat.




Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: February 23, 2008 5:56 pm
 

The Mets-Phillies Rivalry!

Great blog Titans!  To me, it's hard to call this a rivalry because the teams have never been competitive at the same time except for last year.  For a rivalry to develop, both need to be on the top of their games and competing for the pennant/NL Championship at the same time.  With that said, if both teams keep winning, I have no doubt that this will become a great rivalry.  Yankees/Red Sox is often mentioned as the yardstick but the fans of these teams don't come into contact on a daily basis.  Same with Dodgers/Giants in California.  Now if you're talking Brooklyn Dodger/New York Giants/Yankees, where fans wouldn't drink a certain brand of beer because it sponsored their foe, and where the fans commuted to work each day with each other, that to me was a tremendous rivalry.  I think the Mets/Phils can be that kind of rivalry.  I live in SJ but have been a rabid Met fan all my live.  Ben Franklin called New Jersey a keg tapped at both ends by New York and Philadelphia.  This rivalry could become absolutely phenomenal in the Garden State. Keep winning Mets.  Keep winning Phils (except against the Mets!)



Since: Oct 2, 2006
Posted on: February 23, 2008 5:36 pm
 

The Mets-Phillies Rivalry!

 I wrote this reply to your message thread so I will state the same here on your blog:

I think a - rivalry would be great!  It could go along with the Eagles - rivalry.  Even more important is that it could bring some attention back to the national league away the evil empire and its evil twin in Boston.  EPSN could would not be able to whore itself out every week to a or game. 

Now mix in the fact that and the want to get into the fray and this is getting awesome. 

What would really put it on the radar screen of all of baseball and the casual fan would be (and I hate to write this) is a brawl or a good bean ball game or a really in your face nasty game!

Lets hope that doesn't happen and this grows due to some good ol' competive baseball and great games that mean something!!




Since: Oct 25, 2007
Posted on: February 23, 2008 4:05 pm
 

The Mets-Phillies Rivalry!

If i any of you were smart listen to this guy i am a die hard Fightin' Phills fan and if it's any fan it could be some team we play once every thousand years and a fan from that team cheers they will get stuff thrown at them yelled at so mets fans you i wouldn't come to phillly if i were you cause the more you makes it worse cause you draw more attention to yourself's and you won't be able to out number us in our city. JUST A WARING




Since: Oct 20, 2006
Posted on: February 23, 2008 12:36 pm
 

The Mets-Phillies Rivalry!

Mets-Phillies is morphing into a big rivalry and will continue to intensify, particularly if the two remain at the top of the heap in the NL East.

I believe that there are three major factors that shape and define a rivalry. There are exceptions but most rivalries with exceptions fade away gradually. A good example of this kind of exception is in hockey. The Red Wings vs. Avalanche was about as intense as any rivalry can get for about eight years but has lessened consiberably since Claude Lemieux left the Avs and since Colorado has fallen into a middle-tier team in the NHL. The two teams are not close at all geographically.

I rate Dodgers and Giants as the ranking top rivalry in baseball, followed closely by Yankees and Red Sox and then Cardinals and Cubs.

I give Dodgers and Giants the nod because this rivalry was born out of very close geographic proximity and it is an ancient rivalry. It had ebbed in the 1920's but intensified in 1934 when the Giants were cruising with an 80-46 record and a 5 1/2 game lead over both St. Louis and Chicago heading into September. This was the year that Giants player-manager Bill Terry made the remark, "Is Brooklyn still in the league?" and the Dodgers "got revenge" by beating the Giants twice in the last weekend of the season to cost New York the pennant and allow the Cardinals to win. Leo Durocher added a lot of spice to the rivalry as he was suspended by the league as Dodgers manager following the 1947 season (which ushered in Jackie Robinson), only to return as the skipper of the hated Giants a couple of years later.

Of course 1951 brought "The Shot Heard "Round the World" as the Giants eliminated a 13.5 game Dodgers lead to win in a playoff on Bobby Thomson's home run. By the time 1958 arrived, both clubs were uprooted to the west coast. Both teams continued to perform excellently on the field (for the most part) including tying for the pennant in 1962 and having to stage another playoff, won again by the Giants.

Then in 1965 Juan Marichal clubs Dodgers' catcher John Roseboro with a bat and suspended for eight games.

Even with the Dodgers clearly having the upper hand for many years now, this rivalry remains and endures.

Yankees - Red Sox is a close second but has been the strongest of late due to the excellence on the field of each team simultaneously.

Cardinals - Cubs is about as one -sided as a rivalry gets over the course of history. But it remains great, ven though it's a friendlier rivalry than the other two.

Maybe Tigers - Indians can become a great rivalry if both teams remain in the running for the division for the next several years. We'll see.




Since: Jan 20, 2007
Posted on: February 23, 2008 1:43 am
 

The Mets-Phillies Rivalry!

A rivalry is only significant when both teams are fighting for the top spot.  That's one of the reasons the Mets-Phillies rivalry has been "hot" the past couple of years.  The Dodgers-Giants rivalry has sort of flamed out, at least in my mind, because at least one (some years both) team has been down over the past several years.  Now I'm sure the fans of both teams have tried to keep it going and they don't like each other one bit.  The person who mentioned the Brewers being more of a rival to the Cubs than the Cards is probably thinking that because the Brewers have been an improving team over the past few years (at least last year) and was battling the Cubs for the Central Division (the Brewers lead most of the year but faded).  The Tigers-Indians rivalry has been around a long time but, again, neither team has been very good for many of the years that they've played.  There's been only a very few times that they've finished 1-2 in the Division (or in the AL prior to the Divisions being instituted).  The Tigers used to be more of a rival with the Yankees back in the late 50s and early 60s when both teams were battling for the AL crown (which the Yankees won most all the time until their downfall in the mid-60s).  In 1961, the Tigers won 101 games and finished second to the Yankees.  No Wild Card back then - the pennant winner went straight to the World Series against the NL pennant winner.

To conclude, I would say that the Mets-Phillies is a good rivalry at present and is at least #4 on the list.  Their rivalry should continue as long as both teams play good baseball and are in the hunt for the Division Crown.  When the Braves were on top, the Mets-Braves had a decent rivalry but the Braves almost always came out on top.




Since: Aug 11, 2006
Posted on: February 23, 2008 12:39 am
 

The Mets-Phillies Rivalry!

 

  1. Red Sox-Yankees Rivalry
  2. Dodgers-Giants 
  3. Cubs-Cardinals

These are the top three no question about that to me. No way have the Brewers replaced the Cardinals as the the Cubs top rivalry.

To round out the top 5 rivalry take a pick from Mets-Phillies; Mets-Braves; Tigers-Indians; A's-Gaints; Dodgers-Angels or the new rivalry in the Rockies-Diamondbacks.




Since: Dec 2, 2007
Posted on: February 22, 2008 10:49 pm
 

The Mets-Phillies Rivalry!

Cubs-Cardinals? I think that's morphing into Cubs-Brewers.



Since: Aug 11, 2006
Posted on: February 22, 2008 10:47 pm
 

The Mets-Phillies Rivalry!

I would have to place the Red Sox-Yankees Rivalry #1 folloed by the Dodgers-Giants and the Cubs-Cardinals.

I place the Mets-Phillies rivalry 4th. But it's moving up. Baseball needs this, the Mets and Phillies also both need this!



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