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My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

Posted on: June 8, 2008 12:06 am
 

A little late, but I don't care. I'll keep it nice and simple, in numbered points:

  1. Bartlett putting his knee down in front of the bag when Crisp was sliding in head first is a shady play. You do that with the intent of hurting the other player somewhere on his body, and putting the knee down could result in something as small as a jammed finger or as big as a broken collarbone. I've seen both, neither are pretty. Legal, yes, shady, absolutely.
  2. Crisp slid hard into second base into Akinori Iwamura. No matter who it was, Crisp was sliding in hard. Retaliation for what he thought was a shady play, that's fine, I have absolutely no problem with it, and have no problem with a hard slide on either end if it's in retaliation for something.
  3. First at-bat of the game for Crisp, Shields throws at him. Yea, it hit him in the legs, yes, Crisp should've been expecting it, however, this incident could've been put behind us, but Shields instigated it further.
  4. Crisp charged the mound, thus pushing the issue even further. He should not have charged the mound, but he was unable to swallow pride and take his lumps because he felt he was right for what he did, which I believe he was with regards to the hard slide. He was not right for charging the mound.
  5. Shields can't punch. It will never cease to amaze me how many people still throw haymakers. I could just roll off a list of things to do when a haymaker is coming at you, it's just such a stupid move! In all honesty, if I was Crisp, in dodging the roundhouse, left hand would've gone up to block the punch, and the right hand would have went right into Shield's right bicep without hesitation. People that throw haymakers and don't get hurt are stupid and lucky.
  6. Navarro did what he was supposed to do, he got Crisp out of the way and took him down. That was enough for the brawl, what Navarro did was fine.
  7. Johnny Gomes is a punk and a wuss for hitting Crisp while he was being held down.
  8. Carl Crawford is a punk and a wuss for hitting Crisp while he was being held down.
  9. Even Akinori Iwamura took a few cheap shots at Crisp, and therefore, is a punk and a wuss in my book.
  10. Tampa Bay is building a reputation for itself, and not a good one. There is a reason they have been in 2 big brawls already this year (counting the Spring Training ones with the Yankees). You can call the people good teammates all you want, the fact remains that for hitting a man while he's being held down by a bunch of other people makes them sissies and nothing better than a typical street thug. I have lost ALL respect for them. Their performance was PATHETIC.
  11. Everyone that got suspended deserved to get suspended.
  12. This is not the last incident we will see between the Rays and Red Sox, and I would not be in the least bit surprised to see the Rays and another team get into a similar brawl because of the reputation they're building for themselves, especially Gomes and Crawford.

Now, onto the other incident:

People are saying that Youkilis called Manny out for not being in the brawl, and this is just not true for a few reasons.

  1. Camera's show that Manny was right where Crisp crawled out from under 4 Rays, trying to pull the pile apart
  2. If that's what Youk said to Manny, then he's a hypocrite, since in a big brawl you really shouldn't be focused on what someone else is doing and only focused on dealing with the person/people you're dealing with.
  3. There is NO way is a veteran ballplayer and Dominican that grew up in Washington Heights not going to be out there for a brawl.

The more likely thing was that after his at-bat, Youk brought his problems and aggrivation into the dugout, Manny probably told him to calm down, and Youk probably told him to buzz off, and then Manny overreacted. Both would be wrong in that case, but I hope it's in the past.

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Comments

Since: Aug 13, 2006
Posted on: June 8, 2008 5:50 pm
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

OBSTRUCTION is the act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball and not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner. If a fielder is about to receive a thrown ball and if the ball is in flight directly toward and near enough to the fielder so he must occupy his position to receive the ball he may be considered "in the act of fielding a ball."

Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now if somone still doesn't believe that Bartlett did an illegal move think twice about that .

thank you papi




Since: Aug 13, 2006
Posted on: June 8, 2008 5:48 pm
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

Crisp charges the mound and his teammates back him up, and it shows they have a losing mentality? How does this show they don't believe in themselves?because Tampa has been drenched in the cellar and laughed at for every year of their existence, plain and simple!.. is it not stupid for Shields to throw at Coco early in a game like that and not think about the results? they've had that "hit 1st, ask questions later and not care ( obvious, ain't it,  lol) attitude because of being losers all their time in baseball... what's so hard to understand with that wahoo?



Since: Jun 5, 2008
Posted on: June 8, 2008 4:00 pm
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

I'm sorry...everyone, I would like to say I'm sorry! SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY that my blatant Red Sox bandwagoning (despite being a fan since 1997 when I was ten) and Homerism have gotten in the way of this argument where facts and logic are completely on my side. I would like to apologize! I'm SORRY!Being a fan since you are ten? I thought you were a self-proclaimed Mets fan?....So which is it, Mets or Red Sox?...lol.......Maybe whoever is playing the best? It must be embarrassing to root for the Mets right now, so I can see why you like to jump ship.

the collarbone will shatter.Give me an example where this has happened with a guy sliding into 2nd.....It hasn't.

Call him a good teammate all you wantwill do.

It was a shady play, you're wrong.Watch the replay. Pause it right when the timer turns to 5 seconds. Bartlett has the ball touch his glove before Crisp is even at the bag. Bartlett doesn't hold on to the ball, but it WASN'T obstruction. Catchers do this all the time. Here's a link for you so you can watch it.

http://fenwaywest.blogspot.com/2008

/06/coco-injures-thumb-on-shady-pla

y-gets.html

Watch the 2nd video on that page.

Literacy must not be your friend. If Bartlett's knee was clean, then Crisp's slide was too. I said Crisp was wrong for charging the mound, you must've ignored that fact, kind of like the rest of your argument.you're argument sucks Literacy isn't my friend?......You do realize that you wrote "you're argument sucks", right?


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Since: Feb 3, 2008
Posted on: June 8, 2008 2:07 pm
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Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: June 8, 2008 2:03 pm
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

I heard a different version of what happened, anonymously confirmed by a few players. It seems Manny was getting really tired of Youks constant complaining about the strike zone. If thats true, Youk must really be doing alot of sniveling to get Manny to take a swing at him over it.

My source was a Boston reporter who covers the team all the time.

That's basically what I was saying, that Youk took a bad at-bat into the dugout with him. I wasn't sure if it was the strikezone or not, wouldn't surprise me, but thank you for giving more detail into the situation.

 I have not ,and just can't fathum Casey doing something to warrent suspension! I trust your call on this Papi.............what did he do???..............

I'm not entirely sure on this one, because I didn't see him too involved in the brawl either, but he was probably somewhere pulling and tugging with a few shoves and words exchanged. I trust MLBs decision on the suspension, but it's a small one, only 3 games, which he's appealing.



Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: June 8, 2008 1:51 pm
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

That's B.S. It was a completely legal play by Bartlett in order to stop a stolen base from happening. The only reason coaches don't often teach it is because if they do it often, the other team will start sliding feet first and it would put the fielder in jeopardy. And I'm sorry, but nobody is going to break a collarbone by hitting their hands into someone else's leg. finger?...maybe... Collarbone?.....not a chance.

You could not be more wrong. Knee is down, what would happen if the hand went PAST the knee and the collarbone struck the knee of Bartlett. I've witnessed it first hand, so PLEASE don't argue with me on this one, the collarbone will shatter. You couldn't be more wrong in that instance. And it was not a legal play:

OBSTRUCTION is the act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball and not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner. If a fielder is about to receive a thrown ball and if the ball is in flight directly toward and near enough to the fielder so he must occupy his position to receive the ball he may be considered "in the act of fielding a ball."

It's all said right there. Bartlett was not fielding the ball yet and his knee was down in front of the bag. And, the throw did not absolutely require him to keep his knee there (as implied with the MUST OCCUPY). It was a shady play, you're wrong.

What are you talking about? You don't just let the other guy spike your 2nd basemen and ignore it. What Shields did was proper baseball etiquette backing up a teammate. And as it was mentioned, he got him in the leg and not the face.

And what Crisp did was proper baseball etiquette for what Bartlett did. Leg, face, it doesn't matter, Shields further instigated it. I didn't say he was wrong, I just said he further instigated it.

True....His punch was telegraphed by everyone way early on, but it was still sweet. I love how he threw off his cap before he did it.

And I would've loved to be on the receiving end of that punch, because Shields would've had a split muscle and a broken arm.

Whatever man...Johnny Gomes is a great teammate that backs up his teammates. Crisp went after his pitcher and tried to spike his 2nd basemen. Crisp instigated the brawl and he got what was coming to him.

Call him a good teammate all you want, he's a punk, a thug, and a wuss.

I have complete respect for Gomes. Not only did the guy come to his teammates aid in this scenario, but he did it when Spike Duncan tried to do it to the Rays back in spring training. He has his teammates back and doesn't take cr*p from anyone.

Sure, by all means, have complete respect for a thug who drops a knee on someone's head when they're being held down by 3 other people.

Do you not understand that Crisp instigated this whole thing? Or are you too caught up in being a Red Sox bandwagoner that you also developed Sox "homerism" as well.

I'm sorry...everyone, I would like to say I'm sorry! SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY that my blatant Red Sox bandwagoning (despite being a fan since 1997 when I was ten) and Homerism have gotten in the way of this argument where facts and logic are completely on my side. I would like to apologize! I'm SORRY!

You know what this tells me....you're argument sucks and you're moving to insulting me rather than debating.

Moron.

.....And spiking people and starting brawls are okay in your book?...whatever...

Literacy must not be your friend. If Bartlett's knee was clean, then Crisp's slide was too. I said Crisp was wrong for charging the mound, you must've ignored that fact, kind of like the rest of your argument.

To quote you, "whatever".




Since: Jan 10, 2008
Posted on: June 8, 2008 12:35 pm
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

lol, Gomes is a great mate because he sucker punches players?

Is there any truth to the rumor that Gomes trains with hockey's Tampa Bay Lightning to get his "enforcer" role perfected? LOL



Since: Jan 10, 2008
Posted on: June 8, 2008 12:32 pm
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

    1. Camera's show that Manny was right where Crisp crawled out from under 4 Rays, trying to pull the pile apart
    2. If that's what Youk said to Manny, then he's a hypocrite, since in a big brawl you really shouldn't be focused on what someone else is doing and only focused on dealing with the person/people you're dealing with.
    3. There is NO way is a veteran ballplayer and Dominican that grew up in Washington Heights not going to be out there for a brawl.

    The more likely thing was that after his at-bat, Youk brought his problems and aggrivation into the dugout, Manny probably told him to calm down, and Youk probably told him to buzz off, and then Manny overreacted. Both would be wrong in that case, but I hope it's in the past.

    I heard a different version of what happened, anonymously confirmed by a few players. It seems Manny was getting really tired of Youks constant complaining about the strike zone. If thats true, Youk must really be doing alot of sniveling to get Manny to take a swing at him over it.

My source was a Boston reporter who covers the team all the time.




Since: Aug 13, 2006
Posted on: June 8, 2008 12:28 pm
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

Whatever man...Johnny Gomes is a great teammate that backs up his teammates

lol, Gomes is a great mate because he sucker punches players?

ironic that he's been in both highlights of the yanks and Red Sox brawls?

That's B.S. It was a completely legal play by Bartlett in order to stop a stolen base from happening

wrong, and show me the rule that says so... surprised you say this... I had the article that tells that it's ILLEGAL but since I'm computer illiterate I can't find it again



Since: Aug 13, 2006
Posted on: June 8, 2008 12:23 pm
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

and 1 more thing papi

up until that brawl I was saying the Rays would be in contention till the end.... now I doubt it a bit because this action shows their STILL  stuck with the losing mentality of a team that still doesn;'t FULLY believe in themselves

I suspected it somewhat when they fought the yanks in ST but thought nothing much of it because, obviously the season hadn't started and they weren't off to a great start like they have been



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