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My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

Posted on: June 8, 2008 12:06 am
 

A little late, but I don't care. I'll keep it nice and simple, in numbered points:

  1. Bartlett putting his knee down in front of the bag when Crisp was sliding in head first is a shady play. You do that with the intent of hurting the other player somewhere on his body, and putting the knee down could result in something as small as a jammed finger or as big as a broken collarbone. I've seen both, neither are pretty. Legal, yes, shady, absolutely.
  2. Crisp slid hard into second base into Akinori Iwamura. No matter who it was, Crisp was sliding in hard. Retaliation for what he thought was a shady play, that's fine, I have absolutely no problem with it, and have no problem with a hard slide on either end if it's in retaliation for something.
  3. First at-bat of the game for Crisp, Shields throws at him. Yea, it hit him in the legs, yes, Crisp should've been expecting it, however, this incident could've been put behind us, but Shields instigated it further.
  4. Crisp charged the mound, thus pushing the issue even further. He should not have charged the mound, but he was unable to swallow pride and take his lumps because he felt he was right for what he did, which I believe he was with regards to the hard slide. He was not right for charging the mound.
  5. Shields can't punch. It will never cease to amaze me how many people still throw haymakers. I could just roll off a list of things to do when a haymaker is coming at you, it's just such a stupid move! In all honesty, if I was Crisp, in dodging the roundhouse, left hand would've gone up to block the punch, and the right hand would have went right into Shield's right bicep without hesitation. People that throw haymakers and don't get hurt are stupid and lucky.
  6. Navarro did what he was supposed to do, he got Crisp out of the way and took him down. That was enough for the brawl, what Navarro did was fine.
  7. Johnny Gomes is a punk and a wuss for hitting Crisp while he was being held down.
  8. Carl Crawford is a punk and a wuss for hitting Crisp while he was being held down.
  9. Even Akinori Iwamura took a few cheap shots at Crisp, and therefore, is a punk and a wuss in my book.
  10. Tampa Bay is building a reputation for itself, and not a good one. There is a reason they have been in 2 big brawls already this year (counting the Spring Training ones with the Yankees). You can call the people good teammates all you want, the fact remains that for hitting a man while he's being held down by a bunch of other people makes them sissies and nothing better than a typical street thug. I have lost ALL respect for them. Their performance was PATHETIC.
  11. Everyone that got suspended deserved to get suspended.
  12. This is not the last incident we will see between the Rays and Red Sox, and I would not be in the least bit surprised to see the Rays and another team get into a similar brawl because of the reputation they're building for themselves, especially Gomes and Crawford.

Now, onto the other incident:

People are saying that Youkilis called Manny out for not being in the brawl, and this is just not true for a few reasons.

  1. Camera's show that Manny was right where Crisp crawled out from under 4 Rays, trying to pull the pile apart
  2. If that's what Youk said to Manny, then he's a hypocrite, since in a big brawl you really shouldn't be focused on what someone else is doing and only focused on dealing with the person/people you're dealing with.
  3. There is NO way is a veteran ballplayer and Dominican that grew up in Washington Heights not going to be out there for a brawl.

The more likely thing was that after his at-bat, Youk brought his problems and aggrivation into the dugout, Manny probably told him to calm down, and Youk probably told him to buzz off, and then Manny overreacted. Both would be wrong in that case, but I hope it's in the past.

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Since: Aug 13, 2006
Posted on: June 8, 2008 12:18 pm
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

Bartlett putting his knee down in front of the bag when Crisp was sliding in head first is a shady play. You do that with the intent of hurting the other player somewhere on his body,

exactly what I said papi! and furthermore, the 2nd baseman pulling a stunt like that can also get hurt and it seems brainless for him to do it, off course, not if he's out to hurt the guy sliding

Legal, yes, shady, absolutelyit's NOT legal, it never gets called and I know players have done it for yrs... it's also ILLEGAL for a catcher to block the plate without the ball in his glove ( this I never knew)  ( also never called.. we see more of a catcher doing this but  haven't seen a Bartlett stunt in quite sometime''

bottom line on this : I doubt any player would overeact like Coco did for no reason at all..... they are the ones that see the play better than anyone and can judge the intehtion of the other player because they know the players around the league better than the fans

good post




Since: May 17, 2008
Posted on: June 8, 2008 11:28 am
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

One thing that I do have to point out, Coco wasn't the first Sox player to get hit by a pitch that game.  Pedroia had gotten plunked in the first inning, actually.  That doesn't mean Coco shouldn't have been expecting to see the ball come at him, I just don't get what Dustin Pedroia had to do with anything.

In my mind, going after both of them kind of elevates what Shields did to another level.

Regardless, I agree 100% with your take.  I know a lot of people are trying to turn this around on the Red Sox, and say that they were just as bad in the brawl.  Fine, maybe they were, but that doesn't mean that the Rays come out smelling like roses.  If they had just restrained Coco, then the majority of the aftermath wouldn't have been as bad, but instead they wanted to try and hurt the guy.

Good entry.



Since: Jun 5, 2008
Posted on: June 8, 2008 4:57 am
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

First off, I wanna say that that was one of the best brawls I've seen in a long time.....

You do that with the intent of hurting the other player somewhere on his body, and putting the knee down could result in something as small as a jammed finger or as big as a broken collarbone.That's B.S. It was a completely legal play by Bartlett in order to stop a stolen base from happening. The only reason coaches don't often teach it is because if they do it often, the other team will start sliding feet first and it would put the fielder in jeopardy. And I'm sorry, but nobody is going to break a collarbone by hitting their hands into someone else's leg. finger?...maybe... Collarbone?.....not a chance.

but Shields instigated it further.What are you talking about? You don't just let the other guy spike your 2nd basemen and ignore it. What Shields did was proper baseball etiquette backing up a teammate. And as it was mentioned, he got him in the leg and not the face.

Shields can't punch.True....His punch was telegraphed by everyone way early on, but it was still sweet. I love how he threw off his cap before he did it.

Johnny Gomes is a punk and a wuss for hitting Crisp while he was being held down.Whatever man...Johnny Gomes is a great teammate that backs up his teammates. Crisp went after his pitcher and tried to spike his 2nd basemen. Crisp instigated the brawl and he got what was coming to him. I have complete respect for Gomes. Not only did the guy come to his teammates aid in this scenario, but he did it when Spike Duncan tried to do it to the Rays back in spring training. He has his teammates back and doesn't take cr*p from anyone.

is a punk and a wuss for hitting Crisp while he was being held down.Even Akinori Iwamura took a few cheap shots at Crisp, and therefore, is a punk and a wuss in my book.Do you not understand that Crisp instigated this whole thing? Or are you too caught up in being a Red Sox bandwagoner that you also developed Sox "homerism" as well.

You can call the people good teammates all you want, the fact remains that for hitting a man while he's being held down by a bunch of other people makes them sissies.....And spiking people and starting brawls are okay in your book?...whatever...



Since: Jan 26, 2007
Posted on: June 8, 2008 2:34 am
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

Hi Papi...........I missed the Brawl! I saw the round house thrown by the pitcher on the news. He's lucky he missed cause he would of broken his hand! LOL I just got this hangup with Casey! (not cause he has my name mind ya) But did you see him do something? Im sure you guys in Boston have seen and gone over every tape of the Brawl. I have not ,and just can't fathum Casey doing something to warrent suspension! I trust your call on this Papi.............what did he do???..............Thanks Casey


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