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Bonds or Griffey?

Posted on: June 12, 2008 10:41 am
 

The last response to the Manny Ramirez vs. Ken Griffey Jr. was interesting, and got me to thinking of another comparable player in the same era. Eras are difficult to cross and compare although people love doing that with numbers. So lets take a look at a couple of the best players of the last 20 or so years.

Case for Bonds:

The guy was a beast of a player prior to 1999. He was not only a power threat, but hit for a a high average and was still stealing bases with some regularity. Later in his career Bonds had a power surge which is questioned by many who watched him. Some people forget that Barry Bonds was a pretty good defensive outfielder winning 8 GG in LF. Many remember Bonds as older and one of the wrost defensive outfielders, or in his prime many remember him NOT throwing the guy out at the plate in the NLCS in 1991 (maybe 1992). Bonds was named MVP of the NL 7 times, which is more than two times more MVPs than anyone in the history of the game Mantle, DiMaggio and several others are tied for second with 3 MVP. Lou Gehrig only has 2 MVPs.

The numbers for Bonds are just ridiculious, but some of the questions about how he achieved some of those numbers hurt Bonds case slightly.

Case for Griffey:

Griffey was probably the best player of the 1990's and some of his career numbers are right up there in the top in the history of the game. Griffey has missed a lot of time due to injuries, but doesn't take away from the great career of Griffey. Griffey was without a doubt the better player in the field. Griffey played the much mroe demanding position of CF rather than LF. Griffey had the sweet swing, but hit for a lower average than Bonds. Griffey had more HR than Bonds when looking at career totals until Bonds took off in 2001 and Griffey began his string of injuries.

Career Numbers:

Barry Bonds: 2986 G, 9847 AB, 2227 R, 2935 H, 601 2B, 77 3B, 762 HR, 1996 RBI, 514 SB, 2558 BB, 1539 SO, .298 BA, .444 OBP, .607 SLG, 182 OPS+, 7 MVPs, .984 Fielding %, 14 Time All-Star, 8 Gold Gloves 

Bonds 162 Game Avg: 534 AB, 121 R, 159 H, 33 2B, 41 HR, 108 RBI, 28 SB, .298 BA, .444 OBP, .607 SLG 

Ken Griffey Jr: 2441 G, 9051 AB, 1575 R, 2616 H, 487 2B, 37 3B, 600 HR, 1730 RBI, 184 SB, 1200 BB, 1629 SO, .289 BA, .373 OBP, .550 SLG, 139 OPS+, 1 MVP, .985 Fielding %, 13 Time All-Star, 10 Gold Gloves

Griffey 162 Game Avg: 601 AB, 105 R, 174 H, 32 2B, 40 HR, 115 RBI, 12 SB, .289 BA, .373 OBP, .550 SLG

So with all that....who ya got?

Category: MLB
Comments

Since: May 13, 2008
Posted on: July 1, 2008 3:44 pm
 

Bonds or Griffey?

I think this is a lot harder decision than Griffey just because Bonds "used"

To me if I were an owner it would be tough - I would give the nod to Griffey for being able to help out more and be a better team player and add to the chemistry that I want to create.

At the same time Bond's is more likely to create scoring opportunities and even before "use" I think that he was the scarier hitter in the box. (and for this comment I expect to get reamed - but I think that he had such a good eye at the plate that even without "use" he still would have racked up the walks)

As far as attendance goes, both players will fill your stadium and I think both players will bring in good and bad fans of an equal level - home or away you can expect management of any club to be happy for the extra revenue, even if some of it is used to offset revenue.

That said, If I was in the NL - I would take Griffey any day because he had a greater defensive range and arm - just as important as offensive prowess is your defensive ability to help your team.

If I was an AL club, I would take Bonds, especially if I were the Yankees, they have no team chemistry anyways, with all the high-dollar players, think of it like a modern Reggie Jackson era. You wouldn't have to worry about the defensive liability except during interleague play, and he would not need to sit out as many games to catch up.

 




Since: Jun 11, 2008
Posted on: June 26, 2008 9:48 am
 

Bonds or Griffey?

I have watched both players growing up.  They are arguably both great players.  Bonds and Griffey both have batting power and great fielding percentages.  But with the power surge that Bonds had in the later part of his career is pretty much being defined as a steroid boost.  That puts Griffey at the top of my list of the two.  I will argue that Bonds is better, but at least Griffey is not going on 40 and looking like he in the prime of his career as Bonds did. 

Of the 2 players, GRIFFEY IS BETTER over all.

 



PigeonBand!
Since: Nov 12, 2007
Posted on: June 21, 2008 11:15 pm
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Since: Oct 12, 2007
Posted on: June 15, 2008 11:06 pm
 

Bonds or Griffey?

Bonds or Griffey?

 

GRIFFEY

You can quote numbers 'til numbers don't matter anymore. Barry Bonds is just an asterisk waiting to happen.

I'm a Reds fan, and I'm NOT a Ken Griffey, Jr., fan, but I wouldn't take 10 Barry Bonds for one Ken Griffey, Jr. Sorry.

 



RedSoxBaller
Since: Mar 20, 2008
Posted on: June 14, 2008 11:49 pm
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Since: Jan 29, 2008
Posted on: June 14, 2008 6:12 pm
 

Bonds or Griffey?

It's opinion. There is no "proof".  And no post used the exact phrase "double whammy" anyone with a basic understanding of the English language could figure out what was meant. Also note that I never actually said Griffey was better. They're about even. Gotta run for now, will be back.


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Since: Mar 20, 2008
Posted on: June 14, 2008 5:28 pm
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Since: Jan 29, 2008
Posted on: June 14, 2008 3:01 pm
 

Bonds or Griffey?

RedSoxBaller,

I see that you have yet to adress the posts commenting on the "double whammy" as it is, on Bonds career averages. Good job.



RedSoxBaller
Since: Mar 20, 2008
Posted on: June 14, 2008 11:38 am
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