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Bonds or Griffey?

Posted on: June 12, 2008 10:41 am

The last response to the Manny Ramirez vs. Ken Griffey Jr. was interesting, and got me to thinking of another comparable player in the same era. Eras are difficult to cross and compare although people love doing that with numbers. So lets take a look at a couple of the best players of the last 20 or so years.

Case for Bonds:

The guy was a beast of a player prior to 1999. He was not only a power threat, but hit for a a high average and was still stealing bases with some regularity. Later in his career Bonds had a power surge which is questioned by many who watched him. Some people forget that Barry Bonds was a pretty good defensive outfielder winning 8 GG in LF. Many remember Bonds as older and one of the wrost defensive outfielders, or in his prime many remember him NOT throwing the guy out at the plate in the NLCS in 1991 (maybe 1992). Bonds was named MVP of the NL 7 times, which is more than two times more MVPs than anyone in the history of the game Mantle, DiMaggio and several others are tied for second with 3 MVP. Lou Gehrig only has 2 MVPs.

The numbers for Bonds are just ridiculious, but some of the questions about how he achieved some of those numbers hurt Bonds case slightly.

Case for Griffey:

Griffey was probably the best player of the 1990's and some of his career numbers are right up there in the top in the history of the game. Griffey has missed a lot of time due to injuries, but doesn't take away from the great career of Griffey. Griffey was without a doubt the better player in the field. Griffey played the much mroe demanding position of CF rather than LF. Griffey had the sweet swing, but hit for a lower average than Bonds. Griffey had more HR than Bonds when looking at career totals until Bonds took off in 2001 and Griffey began his string of injuries.

Career Numbers:

Barry Bonds: 2986 G, 9847 AB, 2227 R, 2935 H, 601 2B, 77 3B, 762 HR, 1996 RBI, 514 SB, 2558 BB, 1539 SO, .298 BA, .444 OBP, .607 SLG, 182 OPS+, 7 MVPs, .984 Fielding %, 14 Time All-Star, 8 Gold Gloves 

Bonds 162 Game Avg: 534 AB, 121 R, 159 H, 33 2B, 41 HR, 108 RBI, 28 SB, .298 BA, .444 OBP, .607 SLG 

Ken Griffey Jr: 2441 G, 9051 AB, 1575 R, 2616 H, 487 2B, 37 3B, 600 HR, 1730 RBI, 184 SB, 1200 BB, 1629 SO, .289 BA, .373 OBP, .550 SLG, 139 OPS+, 1 MVP, .985 Fielding %, 13 Time All-Star, 10 Gold Gloves

Griffey 162 Game Avg: 601 AB, 105 R, 174 H, 32 2B, 40 HR, 115 RBI, 12 SB, .289 BA, .373 OBP, .550 SLG

So with all that....who ya got?

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Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: June 12, 2008 2:18 pm

Bonds or Griffey?

Bonds was an unbelievable player before his admitted unknowing PED use, and people always declare him as the greatest defensive left fielder of all-time. In my opinion, if Bonds was such a fantastic fielder, he wouldn't have been moved from Center to Left in his 2nd full season. Centerfield is a much more significant position in terms of defensive need, and Griffey is arguably one of the best defensive centerfielders of all-time. One of the best defensive CFs will always be better then the best defensive left-fielder in my book.

It's like this. In terms of solely defense, who would you rather have; One of Ozzie Smith, Honus Wagner, and Omar Vizquel, or Keith Hernandez.

You'd take the shortstop or you'd be insane.

With the bat, before steroids, Bonds and Griffey were fairly even, the speed advantage going to Bonds, but without PEDs, no way would Bonds have more homers than Griffey. Because Bonds's overall numbers were not given a realistic chance for a natural decline as Griffey's were, I feel his avg, OBP, and slugging would all be drastically lower than they are right now, which is why I would take Griffey as both the better hitter and the better player than Bonds.

Since: Nov 6, 2006
Posted on: June 12, 2008 11:13 am

Bonds or Griffey?

Easy:  Griffey.

Had Griffey chosen the "short cuts" that Bonds did he probably wouldn't have missed 450 games due to injury and would've crushed a lot of records in the process.  Bonds was a great player that sold his soul because he's selfish and arrogant.  Griffey did it the right way because he's selfless and humble.  I'd rather have Griffey in my locker room any day.

Since: Oct 3, 2006
Posted on: June 12, 2008 10:44 am

Bonds or Griffey?

These guys have some solid bloodlines as well....

Both of their fathers played in the Majors and were good players. Bonds' godfather is Willie Mays....who is probably the only CF who is better than Griffey in the history of the game. The thing I did not know was that Barry Bonds cousin is none other than Reggie Jackson.

That previous section was from the "Who Knew" file.

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