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Tony Stewart and his new team

Posted on: July 10, 2008 8:42 am
Edited on: July 10, 2008 9:20 am
 

Well once again Mikeyfan is going to bring controversy to the Blogs.  Before I get into this let me explain I am a Tony Stewart Fan.  He is my number 2 driver behind Michael Waltrip so I do wish him all the luck but I have to ask everyone...........................
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WHAT MAKES EVERYONE THINK THAT RICK HENDRICKS WILL PROVIDE TONY STEWART WINNING EQUIPMENT?

I hope I can convey an intelligent argument for everyone to think about. 

  1. Tony is not a teammate of Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, Dale Earnhardt Jr. or Mark Martin.  Rich Hendricks will not receive any money from the sale of Tony's merchandise, he will not receive any of the winnings that Tony earns on the track.  So for those who say Rick will sell him  top equipment I for one don't see it.
  2. Why would Rick take a chance on Tony making the chase and one of his drivers miss the chase?  Has anyone looked at the difference in the points money for being in the top 12 vs 13 to 25?  That is a lot of money and Rick loves his money.  Besides this is a business and in business the goal is to make money
  3. What would Ricks own drivers think if all of a sudden Tony is winning and they are not?  Who has been the biggest threat to Jeff and JJ for the championship over the past 8 years?  It's been Tony.  This was ok when he was using someone elses equipment but it won't be ok if he beats them with their own equipment.
  4. Rick Hendricks has been providing engines to teams since DW left in 1991.  The last time someone other than a HMS car won with a Hendricks motor was..........1992 and Darrell Waltrip.  No one else has won a race since then. Right now the 66 and 70 cars are having a hard time qualifying with HMS motors and chassises outside of drivers talent what will be different?
  5. Will Rick share testing and Wind Tunnel data with Tony?  Not a chance, he will not give Tony anything that he could use against his team for the win.  This sport is all about winning and Rick will not give another team anything that could keep him out of the winners circle.

When you think about all the top teams they all have their own engine department,  HMS, RCR/ECR, Roush/Yates, Everham(with Dodges help), JGR teaming with TRD.  In fact Roush couldn't beat Yates for a long time so he bought Yates.  The bottom line is championship teams do not rely on someone else to provide them "winning" equipment because they know they  won't get it. 

Also think about this, Daytona 2009, Tony is behind Dale Junior and has a chance to go with someone else, say Kyle Bush, that will give him a better chance to win.  Will he show loyalty?  Heck no.  But then everyone will say this is the Daytona 500.  Ok I'll give you that, now fast forward to Bristol or Richmond,  Do you think Tony would hesitate for a second to bump and HMS car for a win?  Rick cannot tell him that is a teammate up ahead and race them clean,  Tony only has one teammate and that appears to be Newman. 

I know there are a lot of people happy that Tony is back in a chevy. Most have an attitude, that Tony will show Toyota that chevy is better.  Well has anyone seen what the selling price of GM stock is lately?  Less than $10.00 share, the lowest it's been since 1954.  What will Tony do if GM tells him that they cannot support his team?  Can he survive without factory sponsorship? 

I look for Tony to have a long and frustrating season next year.  But I also know that Tony is smart enough to realize that the only way he can win will be to start his own engine department.  When he does this then I would look for Tony to do well in 2010 but I doubt he makes the chase or top 15 in fact next season running HMS equipment.  I hope I'm proven wrong, but I have seen the deception that Rick uses with his dealerships and I just don't see anything real good coming out of this.

 

Comments

Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: July 18, 2008 10:43 am
 

Tony Stewart and his new team

maybe he has some tricks up his sleeve that no one is expecting. 

I hope so.  From his perspective, he better.




Since: Dec 9, 2007
Posted on: July 18, 2008 9:57 am
 

Tony Stewart and his new team

Who knows, maybe he likes the challenge, or maybe he has some tricks up his sleeve that no one is expecting.  Toyota certainly has the money to help Tony, and they have been involved in open wheel for quite sometime...



Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: July 17, 2008 6:11 pm
 

Tony Stewart and his new team

I can see that my boss rose from the grave to be recognized in the quote box.  How did that happen?



Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: July 17, 2008 6:01 pm
 

Tony Stewart and his new team

Yeah but Tony made it well known that he was not happy with the change in manufacturers.  He has always been a GM guy.

 

My boss once told me you never help a competitor get established.  Once established, there is nothing wrong with finding common ground that would benefit both parties in competing against "the others".

That is what confuses me ft. rommel.  Tony likes GM.  GM has no money and won't expand their current effort.  Tony buys into a Chevy team.  It makes no sense.  If GM has already made a solid commitment to Stewart/Haas then he might have a chance in the future with Chevy.  He would have to start his own engine building program and that has always been a huge learning curve.  I can't see why anyone would buy into Haas if GM (maybe) and HMS were my alliance partners.



Since: Dec 9, 2007
Posted on: July 17, 2008 4:41 pm
 

Tony Stewart and his new team

 

"Most of what we are discussing is pretty obvious and common knowledge.  The only thing that makes sense is for Tony to team up with Toyota. "

Yeah but Tony made it well known that he was not happy with the change in manufacturers.  He has always been a GM guy.  But here is the facts that cannot be disputed...Tony has been successful in every racing discipline he has tried.  He is a proven winner and probably the best talent on the circut. 

You can't say that for Jeff, he walked into a dream team with a hell of a crew chief and an owner who didn't mind spending money.  Keep in mind that Gordon was ranked #2 in the Ford Driver development program, behind ROBBY GORDON.  Who would have been just as succesful if he had walked into the same situation that Jeff did.




Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: July 17, 2008 2:14 pm
 

Tony Stewart and his new team

 Tony spurns GM, moves his team to Toyota and works with JGR as another Toyota team.  Getting engines from TRD and chassis from JGR until such time as Tony can start building his own chassis.  He maintains his relationship with Joe Gibbs and gets the funding needed to run a solid team.  That could cut at least a year or two off the growing period this team will be facing.

That one gets my vote, Mikey.  Most of what we are discussing is pretty obvious and common knowledge.  The only thing that makes sense is for Tony to team up with Toyota.  Joe Gibbs is no idiot and when he gave Tony his free release I can imagine Joe asking, "So, Tony, you want to be free to do what?"  GM has no desire to dilute their contributions and should be considering the exact opposite.  Tony wouldn't be risking millions and his future on a "what if" or a "I hope so."  There has to be a solid plan and I see that with a definite alliance with Toyota and a probable alliance with JGR.




Since: Dec 9, 2007
Posted on: July 17, 2008 1:55 pm
 

Tony Stewart and his new team

That is a definate possibility, but I know for certain you can rule out him shifting to a blue oval.  A billy goat on the front of his race car is a possibility as well.  I know Mopar has been heavily involved in midget car racing for a while.  The fact is not matter what Tony wants to be competitive and be in the hunt to win.  Just like Joe Gibbs I think he will go in whatever direction he thinks gives him the best chance.  With the economic problems that GM is having...who knows how much longer they will be in NASCAR...keep in mind that Chrysler had to drop out for an extended hiatus when they went through the rebuilding/remodeling process.  It would pain me to see that but I think it is a legitimate possibility.

Worse yet, imagine if one of the European manufacturers decided to throw their hat in the ring...say maybe Audi or someone like that with a rich and storied racing history....Tony might hop on that boat just to be the Top Dog for that manufacturer....




Since: Aug 15, 2006
Posted on: July 17, 2008 1:11 pm
 

Tony Stewart and his new team

ft- what about this,  Tony spurns GM, moves his team to Toyota and works with JGR as another Toyota team.  Getting engines from TRD and chassis from JGR until such time as Tony can start building his own chassis.  He maintains his relationship with Joe Gibbs and gets the funding needed to run a solid team.  That could cut at least a year or two off the growing period this team will be facing.



Since: Dec 9, 2007
Posted on: July 17, 2008 1:05 pm
 

Tony Stewart and his new team

I can see that to a certain extent.  What would not surprise me is for JGR to provide Tony with the data that he has aquired during all his years of engine building.  That in and of itself would be a major windfall.  I could then see Tony going to RCR and offering to share his new found data with the boys at RCR in exchange for help starting his own engine program.  Or consider this possibility....

If DEI is truly looking for a buyer or "major investor" than I could see JR and Stewart quitely trying to aquire DEI, combining JR Motorsports and Stewart/Hass into a major operation capable of challanging all the mega teams...might seem outlandish, but it is certainly doable...it would require some deft positioning, but I think that Stewart and JR have the means to make it happen if they really wanted it...Imagine a team three or so years down the road with Stewart, JR, Truex Jr. and Newman.  WOuldn't that be scary....




Since: Aug 15, 2006
Posted on: July 16, 2008 5:48 pm
 

Tony Stewart and his new team

Ft. as you stated it was JGR and Tony that brought GM 2 championships. Period. GM is not support HAAS/CNC right now and if their budget gets cut why would they short change HMS or RCR to fund a team they are not funding right now?  Being a Tony fan I hope that I'm wrong, but If it comes down to HMS, RCR or HAAS that GM funds it will be HAAS that ends up with the short end of the stick.


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