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Countdown: Top 10 NBA Players of All-Time (No.4)

Posted on: August 2, 2008 4:01 pm
 

4th greatest NBA player of all-time:

Magic Johnson, PG

How would it be to be a point guard... but one night play the center position instead?

You could ask Magic Johnson, who in my eyes is the greatest point guard to ever play the game. Why? He had the passing ability of a point guard but the dominance of a center. He had the shooting of a shooting guard and the defense of a small forward. He was a beast on the court no matter where he played. If you needed him to shoot threes, he could. If you needed him to crash the boards, he would.

There was not much Magic couldn't do. He was the point guard in the fabled Showtime, which also consisted of James Worthy and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Together, those three destroyed opponents with their Showtime offense.

Magic worked hard, and you could see it on the court. He was most well known for the time when he played center in the 1980 NBA Finals against the Dr.J led 76ers. Kareem had injured his ankle in Game 5, so Magic, playing center in Game 6, led the Lakers to the win and the championship title.

Here are the awards that highlighted Magic's career:

Magic Johnson will always be remembered for something else as well... A rivalry with Larry Bird that has not faded over all these years. The rivalry of Magic and Bird was one that entertained the fans while providing a great game when the Lakers took on the Celtics.

4. Magic Johnson
5. Bill Russell
6. Larry Bird
7. Oscar Robertson
8. Elgin Baylor
9. Tim Duncan
10. Hakeem Olajwon

Coming tomorrow: #3 and #2 players of all-time

Comments

Since: Jun 27, 2007
Posted on: August 3, 2008 2:16 pm
 

Countdown: Top 10 NBA Players of All-Time (No.4)

Here's the wiki on Elgin - give it a look if you're still unsure about top 10 status. I'm not saying it's a slam dunk, but I do think that he is without question above both Malones.




Since: Jun 27, 2007
Posted on: August 3, 2008 2:11 pm
 

Countdown: Top 10 NBA Players of All-Time (No.4)

And again on teh Elgin note - the season before the Lakers drafted Elgin, they went 19 and 61 I believe. His rookie season: the first of 8 Finals appearances with Baylor.



Since: Jun 27, 2007
Posted on: August 3, 2008 1:14 pm
 

Countdown: Top 10 NBA Players of All-Time (No.4)

Shaq is on the border of top ten for a few reasons. 1, he was absolutely worked by Hakeem (yeah he was young, but he was seriously worked by Hakeem) in the Finals 2. He never won a title without a top flight SG, top flight coach and 3, his recent fall has left a bad taste in everyone's mouth.

Elgin Baylor is one of only two players to average 35 points and 20 rebounds in the same season (the other one is forthcoming on the list) and pretty much set the model for the volume shooter (good sense of hte word here) 2.5 guard/forward  that so many have followed. He is one of 3 perimeter players to have broken 70 in one game. Other guys could e there too (Shaq certainly is right around Baylor) but to say that Baylor's selection is a joke is a joke.

Just to throw gas on the "who should be here and who should not" fire - Oscar Robertson was never the best player on a good team, won 1 championship with Scottie Pipper like production (Scottie, while great is in no way a top 10er) and made it to another Finals with adequate (like Derek Fisher type) numbers. He played for a relatively short period of time and yes, he averaged a triple double one season - his team went 43 and 37. BIg O is still an all-time great, but he would be the one that I would say should've been left out of the top ten, in my opinion.



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Since: Apr 16, 2007
Posted on: August 3, 2008 11:14 am
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Since: May 29, 2008
Posted on: August 3, 2008 4:43 am
 

Countdown: Top 10 NBA Players of All-Time (No.4)

Magic was, well, Magic!  Another good post.  Should never be outside of the top five on anyone's list. 

As for Shaq... Here's a different perspective.... If this is a list of the most physically dominant players ever, sure he's on the list... Probably number one for that matter.

But on this list I see great versitile players.  He's kinda like Wilt.  A giant holding a volleyball thats lost outside of 6 feet from the hoop.  If Shaq shoots even 70% FT in his career, or to the point where he doesn't have to be benched in critical moments of a game because of it, he might be on this list.  Or if he had even the slightest bit of jumper from even 10 feet.... 

I'll take The Dream in his prime over Shaq in his prime any day.  Too many weapons... Had all the best moves (guard like) in the lane plus a fade away jumper.  And a shot 72% FT.  Never a liability, centers speaking.  What part of Shaq's game ever really improved?  His weight?  His gift for naming and renaming himself?  Hakeem made Shaq look like he was standing still when they played in the finals.  And on defense, Hakeem is number one in career blocks and, I think, and well within the top ten in career steals.  STEALS!!! 

I use Hakeem because he's 10th on this list and a better player than Shaq in every way.  So he can't be on this list.  IMO, of course. 




Since: Jan 2, 2008
Posted on: August 2, 2008 7:43 pm
 

Countdown: Top 10 NBA Players of All-Time (No.4)

To have Elgin Baylor in the top 10 over Shaq, Karl Malone, Julius Erving, Moses Malone is a joke.Those are strong words, but in essence I agree.

Shaq is top ten. Elgin was good but IMO he isn't top ten, I would have Moses, Julius and Shaq above. But that's just me..



Since: Aug 30, 2006
Posted on: August 2, 2008 7:38 pm
 

Countdown: Top 10 NBA Players of All-Time (No.4)

To have Elgin Baylor in the top 10 over Shaq, Karl Malone, Julius Erving, Moses Malone is a joke. What's worst off not having the most dangerous center in the NBA since Abdul-Jabbar in the top 10.

Shaq is a top 10 player and I'm not even a huge fan of his...

 




Since: Sep 29, 2007
Posted on: August 2, 2008 7:29 pm
 

Countdown: Top 10 NBA Players of All-Time (No.4)

Yeah, well I was still pissed at the whole fantasy draft thing when I wrote that. I thought I'd rank the players because I wasn't there, little did I know everyone else was too lazy no I can't participate because of that laziness...But I digress...
I know I know, I was ready to draft as well, but I noticed right before that Harst wanted to do a better date when more people were actually there to draft. Most people were okay with it, but I'm not gonna blame the people that are not happy about this.

It's weird when people say Kobe vs MJ and Kobe 2nd best of all-time because you have a look at all these great players and you have to say: Definite top 20, possible top 15, maybe, just maybe, top 10 based on opinion...

Yeah, everything is based on opinion. There is no top 10 list that is 100% right and set in stone, but that's the beauty of sports and these message boards. There is no right answer so it's fun to see everyone's different opinions and have good discussions about them. That's one of things that make these boards so fun.



Since: Jan 2, 2008
Posted on: August 2, 2008 7:22 pm
 

Countdown: Top 10 NBA Players of All-Time (No.4)

Yeah, well I was still pissed at the whole fantasy draft thing when I wrote that. I thought I'd rank the players because I wasn't there, little did I know everyone else was too lazy no I can't participate because of that laziness...But I digress...

Shaq would be 7th on my list....

My top ten would be (just stucj them in groups, in the groups you could arrange them in any order really)

MJ
Wilt

Magic
Russell
KAJ

Bird

Shaq

The Big O
Hakeem
Tim Duncan

Then you have Kobe, Maravich, Moses, Ewing, David Robinson, Karl Malone, Bob Pettit, Kevin McHale, Charles Barkley, Elvin Hayes, Kevin Garnett, Elgin Baylor, Julius Erving, Jerry West, John Havilcek, George Gervin, John Stockton, Isiah, Cousy that could all get bottom places on various peoples lists due to opinion.

It's weird when people say Kobe vs MJ and Kobe 2nd best of all-time because you have a look at all these great players and you have to say: Definite top 20, possible top 15, maybe, just maybe, top 10 based on opinion...



Since: Sep 29, 2007
Posted on: August 2, 2008 7:06 pm
 

Countdown: Top 10 NBA Players of All-Time (No.4)

I know you are a Heat fan, so I understanding not liking Shaq. But leaving him out of your top ten? For me, this list has lost creditbility -- Many "experts" (I don't like pointing to what 'esperts' say, but here goes) have Shaq as no 1, I have him as number 7. But there is no way Shaq isn't top ten of all-time.

I remember sometime back when the playoffs were still going that someone made some thread about where Shaq would be rated on the list of all time great players when he retired. Most said around 15th-20th. No actually said he would be top 10 in a post, but a very voted it on the poll. I said he would be around 8th-11th but I didn't get anyone to agree with me at the time. So it looks like only me and you will be disappointed to see no Shaq on this list NH because I don't think too many people agree with us.

To be honest, I would put Shaq at 10th on this list, take out Baylor, and bump Hakeem up to 9th. Still, it's all a matter of opinion and I'm not going to say Harst is way off because this is his opinion. I'm still anxious to see the rest of the list, and even though I would have liked to the Big Aristotle on here, I'm not going to hold against Harst for not putting him on here.


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