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Clemson is the new West Virginia

Posted on: December 1, 2008 8:16 am

Those who don't study history are doomed to follow West Virginia into the toilet.

That's where Clemson is headed. The toilet. The Tigers apparently are following the Mountaineers' post-Rich Rodriguez plan, which is to say, they're elevating an assistant coach because of his enormous popularity with the current players and his tiny sample size of games as head coach.

At West Virginia, the new coach became longtime assistant Bill Stewart, whose first season at the helm saw the Mountaineers finish out of the BCS picture in the worst season yet for the worst league in the BCS. The Big East is terrible, and West Virginia -- after dominating it under Rodriguez, and with talented quarterback Pat White back -- couldn't win it. West Virginia couldn't even beat East Carolina. Or Colorado.

The Mountaineers are a disappointment, and now it's Clemson's turn.

Dabo Swinney? Are you kidding me? Look, Clemson, you don't kill the king to promote the prince. But that's what you did, running off Tommy Bowden and promoting his receivers coach, Swinney. Because as we all know, Clemson is known as Wide Receiver U.

It looks good now, Clemson fans. I get it. Swinney went 4-2 as interim coach and beat South Carolina. Great. Terrific.

But in three years when Clemson is 4-8, remember where you heard it first.

Category: NCAAF
Tags: Dabo Swinney

Since: Sep 3, 2006
Posted on: December 1, 2008 1:28 pm

Clemson is the new West Virginia

Weis will be available shortly.  Take him!

Since: Sep 30, 2006
Posted on: December 1, 2008 1:16 pm

Clemson is the new West Virginia

"...the worst league in the BCS. The Big East is terrible"

Is that the same Big East that has won three straight BCS bowls against the SEC, ACC, and Big XII champions?  It's pretty bad when one conference has to win 100% of the time in order to be considered a success.  No other conference has done as well in that span, and it might be a good idea to wait and see if Cincinnati actually loses before slinging all of this BS.

As for WVU, the new class of recruits looks like one of the best ever, and the future isn't all that grim.  Many Mountaineer fans agree that Pat White has been misused all seaon, but don't be too quick to pencil us in for a trip to the Proctor & Gamble Tidy Bowl every year.  In three years when WVU goes 11-1, remember where you heard it first.

Since: Dec 1, 2008
Posted on: December 1, 2008 1:10 pm

Clemson is the new West Virginia

The ACC may be a joke of a conference, but ColleyRankings has it ahead of all the other conferences except the Big 12.

Here's a link for you:


Sagarin uses a different method than does Colley to rank the conferences.  According to Sagarin, the ACC is the toughest conference.

Here's a link to Sagarin's rankings:


Since: Dec 29, 2006
Posted on: December 1, 2008 1:02 pm

Thank you Clemson!

From all VT Hokies to the Clemson Tiger faithful:  Thank you.  I will try not to be negative, but I believe Clemson made a giant mistake not hiring Bud Foster.  Still, VT thanks you because for at least another year, the Hokies will be driving teams INSANE with their defense.

Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: December 1, 2008 12:39 pm
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Since: Nov 4, 2008
Posted on: December 1, 2008 11:16 am

Clemson is the new West Virginia

I rest my case.  In my last post, I made the statement that if Clemson turned itsback on Dabo and went after a big name it would put us in the class of so many other.  This premise exhibits an incredible lack of class.  It is much like American politics let's trash those who do things different.

Remember that Danny Ford had no head coaching experience and was an assistant at Clemson when he took over.  He took us to our only National Championship and National prominence.

If this does not work out, I would rather be 4-8 in two years thab to show a complete lack of class and integrity  in the meantime by chasing the big name coach.

Since: Dec 1, 2008
Posted on: December 1, 2008 11:15 am

Clemson is the new West Virginia

 Great logic there....comparing it to BIll Stewart's hiring...which I admit wasn't the correct thing to do.  But was it a good idea to promote Tom Osborne at Nebraska?  Barry Switzer at Oklahoma?  Gary Patterson at TCU?  Lloyd Carr at Michigan?  Phil Fulmer at Tennessee?  While those guys were run off in the end they are did very well at those schools.  Point is, for every failure you give me, I can give you a success.

  As you know following college football, you just don't know.  Swinney, as you should know, is a great recruiter.  Don't judge him as a wide reciever coach. But if you want to, that is fine.  But can you honestly say the Texas Tech coach is a fantastic coach because of Michael Crabtree's success?  Jerry Rice's coach at Tenn. Valley state was just off the charts in that category.  You know as well as I do, wide receiver and running backs coaches at the collegiate level can't coach a player to make plays. They coach them to read defenses,  pick up blocks, etc.  They don't coach them to make cuts or make great catches.  The majority of them are recruiters. Period. 

As Wimp Sanderson would say, if you get rid of your coach, you better know who the next one is going to be.  I think these programs get rid of coaches and then panic by having to have someone before bowl games are done or hoping to get someone.  Most have no clue who their next coach is going to be or even an idea if they can get the guy they "hope" is the coach.

Give Swinney a few years.  He at least deserves a shot at a just happens to be Clemson.


Since: May 24, 2008
Posted on: December 1, 2008 10:56 am

not quite the same


I can see your point of view, but I still don't think it's the same situation.  Terry Don Phillips has interviewed a bunch of candidates while giving Dabo a chance at the same time.  It was not like Dabo was hired immediately...he had to prove himself throughout this season.  I'm a grad student here at Clemson and I can tell you that the positive energy that this man brings to the football team is great.  Not only that, but he has gotten the players more involved in the community (with the Tiger Walk) and you would not believe the change of attitude around town.  Sure, Clemson still has a way to go, but if you look at this half of the season under Dabo, the team has played much better.  If Dabo can pick up a team mid-season and get them to a bowl game, imagine what he can do after having a full offseason to prepare?  Also, if he assembles the right staff (because I doubt Vic Koenning is going to stick around), they should be just fine.  Maybe they do go 4-8 for one season, but don't be surprised if it's 10-2 the next year.

Since: Mar 7, 2008
Posted on: December 1, 2008 10:52 am

Clemson is the new West Virginia

What a lot of outsiders including the logically flawed writer do not understand is that Dabo is our recruiting coordinator as well. The main reason he was signed as HC is because he got players like CJ Spiller, Antoine McClain and Jamie Harper to sign with out of state Clemson when they were being wooed by home state schools Alabama, Auburn, FSU , Florida and Miami. He is forthright, reliable and honest , which will go a long darn way come February signing day.

His hard work and winning attitude have not just won over the Tiger faithful , but as he stated from the get-go , he would not accept the HC job without qualifying for a bowl, which he did emphatically. I think this is a smart hire from two vantage points . First , he will be cheap. He cannot get the type of contract a more experienced guy could have gotten, and if we win big next year while flying under the radar he will begin to be seen as a genius hire. Secondly, his staff will also feature Billy Napier at OC, who is also on the cheap as a first time OC and is the second cog in Clemson's recruiting team under Bowden.

The future is a funny thing , you know it's coming but have no idea where it is headed. No disrespect to the writer of this article , but with the "crystal ballisms" that he used in his article maybe he should focus more on facts and stats than trying to dig up the bones of Edgar Cayce. The Tigers will be fine down the road with Dabo Swinney , and you heard that here first.

Since: Apr 5, 2007
Posted on: December 1, 2008 10:46 am

Clemson is the new West Virginia

Dude, at least your grammar and spelling are good, so you must have paid some attention in class, but why does the world feel the need to heap dung on WV?  I don't think that Stewart's the right guy for the job either, but we don't heap criticism or drop reference to other programs struggling when things go bad.  You guys need to quit dissing the mounites and just leave them alone.  I live in buckeye territory now, and personally I think they have been a bigger dissappointment than most teams considering the lofty expectations, but no WV is and always will be an easier target, so jump on the bandwagon and fire away!

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