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FSU athletes are dumb -- THAT'S the story

Posted on: September 10, 2009 8:21 am
Edited on: September 10, 2009 8:46 am
So I'm reading the latest story on Florida State vs. the NCAA -- a story that makes someone, and that someone is the president of FSU, look like a liar -- when it finally occurred to me what's wrong with this whole thing:

FSU athletes were cheating in a class on music history.

Who cheats in a class on music history?

Who needs to cheat in such an easy class?

If I'm the NCAA, I'm expanding this investigation to look at the entire FSU program -- and to make sure the school isn't admitting non-qualifiers to its school. Because if more than 60 FSU athletes in 10 sports had to cheat in a class on music history , well, that's an athletic department with some really stupid athletes.

Category: NCAAF

Since: Dec 5, 2008
Posted on: September 10, 2009 4:56 pm

FSU athletes are dumb -- THAT'S the story

Middle 50% of First Year Students SAT for the 7 FBS schools in Florida (according to the college board)

FSU: Reading->550-640, Math->560-650
UF: Reading->570-680, Math->590-700
UM: Reading->580-680, Math->610-700
UCF: Reading->530-630, Math->550-640
USF: Reading->510-610, Math->530-630
FIU: Reading->500-580, Math->500-590
FAU: Reading->470-550, Math->480-570

to me if you're rankings schools by SAT it goes miami, florida, fsu, ucf, usf, fiu, fau.

and if you wanna just compare UF and FSU, UF SAT scores are 90 points higher according to the upper half of that statistic and they are 50 points higher according to the lower half.

but as far as keeping this debate to ATHLETES, the way i see it is every school has smart athletes and dumb athletes. when you listen to a lot of these guys do interviews i think it's safe to say that they would not be attending some of the schools that they do if they weren't good at a sport.

it's think its fair to say that fsu is not the only school that have athletes that cheat on tests, they just happened to get caught. i'm willing to bet a majority of athletes at a football school like fsu would do the same thing if they were presented with the same opportunity.

lastly, fsu fans keep bringing up how ponder finished a business degree in 2.5 years or whatever it was. im sure he's an intelligent kid but its a business degree! and let's not forget that he's also taking 2 or 3 classes every summer as well. i, personally, am more impressed by an athlete that graduates with an engineering or medical degree even if it takes them 4 or 5 years to get it. Take Craig Krenzel (OSU 2002 NC QB for those of you that don't remember). He graduated with a degree in molecular genetics and played on a much better team than what ponder does, leading me to believe he had a more demanding football schedule.

I cant diminish what myron rolle's accomplishments in any way. he put a potentially lucrative career on hold to study abroad and gain skills that will allow him to have a great impact on the world. i will say though, that his academic achievements have nothing to do with FSU. He would be a great student-athlete regardless of where he went. and i also think that it's safe to say that rolle is an anomaly when it comes to student-athletes so he doesnt exactly represent every athlete at FSU, but neither do the athletes that are dumber than dirt and flunk out.

like i said at the beginning, every school has smart athletes, and every school has dumb athletes.

Since: Sep 8, 2006
Posted on: September 10, 2009 3:35 pm

FSU athletes are dumb -- THAT'S the story

I could be wrong but I believe the top 2 are the Big 10 and the Pac 10. There are a lot of very good schools in the PAC 10. USC, Stanford, UCLA, Cal- Berkeley, Arizona and Washington are some very good schools.

Since: May 31, 2009
Posted on: September 10, 2009 2:53 pm

FSU athletes are dumb -- THAT'S the story

acc as the second best academic conference? LOL. The BIG 10 and BIG 12 get those distinctions. I would throw the big 10 over it because basically all the schools in it are top notch, and the lower tier schools are still very good.

Since: Oct 11, 2006
Posted on: September 10, 2009 2:40 pm

FSU athletes are dumb -- THAT'S the story

FSU is not far behind UF & Miami. You need to check your facts. Average SAT score at FSU is near 1400 only slightly less than UF. I find it funny how UF grads always attack FSU but never seem to see that FSU ranks above every Public University in the state besides UF. In a grander scheme of things, UF is laughed at by the rest of the Eastern Seaboard so it's all relevant isn't it?!

UF is ranked 2nd for state colleges averaging out numerous factors w/ UNC being #1. FSU ranked #17 just behind Ga. Tech. Comparing FSU to Sante Fe is just another obnoxious Gator BS! BTW our QB graduated in 3 years and will have his Masters by year end w/ another year of eligibility to go. What was the SAT score of your beloved home schooled QB? I thought so!

Since: Oct 11, 2006
Posted on: September 10, 2009 2:16 pm

FSU athletes are dumb -- THAT'S the story

Give me a frickin break! Every Fraternity & Sorority at EVERY CAMPUS has test banks that studensts use to get A's in these ridiculous classes that only exist to make money for the Universities in the first place. Even if the class was 'easy', if I knew I could get the answers for an 'online test' (when I was in school there were no online tests), I would b/c I wouldn't I care that I wasn't 'learning' Music History! Give me a break!

The Universities create these classes specifically for the Football and Basketball players to keep their GPA's up so they can play and make millions for the school.

Glass houses Doyel! How 'smart' are the athletes at your school?!

Since: Sep 10, 2009
Posted on: September 10, 2009 2:09 pm

FSU athletes are dumb -- THAT'S the story

this guy is a retard...Kids cheat all the time and ur ignorant to think they dont. Obviously there are students that dont ever cheat, but to think that there isnt a large percentage of kids that dont is blind. They were unlucky for getting caught. Probably thought the plan was bulletproof. But to call a program stupid or even the unviersity itself is arrogant and holier than thou. keep pattin yourself on the back there buddy cause obviously no one else is doing it for him...

Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: September 10, 2009 2:07 pm

FSU athletes are dumb -- THAT'S the story

And I'm going out on a limb hear and saying my schools pretty good.And I'm going out on a limb HERE, and calling your bluff...

Since: Aug 15, 2008
Posted on: September 10, 2009 1:59 pm

FSU athletes are dumb -- THAT'S the story

I attended the #1 School of Education in my state and my university also has one of the best Music and Theater departments in the country, I graduated with honors and am now a teacher.  Our music appreciation was crazy hard and music history was not far behind.  The memorization and identification of dozens of compositions based on a 15-25 second clip on the tests is what made appreciation so difficult.  I believe that when this story was first broken, about a year ago now, that it was an online course and online test, is that correct?  Anyway, not all FSU athletes are idiots, just the 60 that decided to cheat on this test.  I am feeling a bit lazy so I don't have the numbers, but I'm prettys sure that's a very small percentage of all FSU athletes.  But it's nice to see a "professional" writer distributing such unbiased, non-stereotypical, non-generalizations based on fact.  I also love the "professional" response made by an amature fan.  You stay classy doyel.

Since: Dec 24, 2008
Posted on: September 10, 2009 1:52 pm

FSU athletes are dumb -- THAT'S the story

Doyel shut the fuck up. Your writing is just plain horrible some times. Not to mention this story is over a year old.

Since: Oct 8, 2007
Posted on: September 10, 2009 1:49 pm

FSU athletes are dumb -- THAT'S the story

Appreciation is the easy class.  Theory was hard.  But, it's part of the cirriculum for music majors.  Students studying other majors are not required to take Theory classes.  If these nimrods had to cheat on Appreciation they are truly hopeless.

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