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Such a Yankee move

Posted on: October 5, 2011 8:24 pm
Putting C.C. Sabathia in the bullpen for Game 5 -- on two days' rest after he threw 106 pitches in Game 3 -- is why the Yankees are the Yankees.

Talent is disposable to that franchise. If Sabathia blows out his arm, the Yankees can -- and will -- go get another $15 million pitcher. Assuming Sabathia returns next season and grows ineffective as the 2012 schedule progresses, the Yankees can (and will) acquire someone else's ace starter at the trade deadline.

Yankees fans will note that Sabathia is set to throw a side session on Thursday anyway, so what's the difference between that and an inning or two of relief? Answer: There's a major difference in the stress on a pitcher's arm from 20 pitches on the side to 20 pitches in a postseason game.

A major difference.

The Tigers know it, which is why Game 3 starter Justin Verlander isn't under consideration to come out of the bullpen on Thursday. Another difference between the Yankees and Tigers is that New York has a $203 million payroll ... while Detroit's is $106 million. The Tigers have money, but they don't have Yankee money.

So they don't have the Yankees' cavalier attitude toward an ace's arm.

Category: MLB
Tags: Tigers, Yankees

Since: Dec 21, 2006
Posted on: October 7, 2011 12:35 pm

Such a Yankee move

nysports throws out words like cavalier and then spells ADDITUDE. 

am i being too cavalier in saying that it's ATTITUDE???

Since: Apr 25, 2008
Posted on: October 6, 2011 3:01 pm

Such a Yankee move

yeah lol the unit done it to the yankees twice.  once in 95 and then again in 01 and in 01 he pitched threw like 120 pitches the night before....  no days rest for the unit!    

Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: October 6, 2011 12:22 pm

Such a Yankee move

I hope and PRAY that they Yanks do need to use CC. That would mean that the Tigers have gotten to Nova and the way CC has pitched so far, while decent, hasn't been the CC of old.  Make no mistake, Verlander WANTS to be in the bullpen, he has even stated that he might just walk over there and start warming up on his own, but know that Leyland will "just get mad" if he asks him to go in to the game tonight.

The biggest difference is thay CC is a free agent after this year, so what do the Yanks care if he blows out his wing?  The Tigers have Verlander signed thorugh 2014. Three more years of that arm to protect and since he is currently the best in the bigs, it obviously is an arm worth protecting.

Since: Sep 11, 2007
Posted on: October 6, 2011 12:08 pm

Such a Yankee move

This is absurd.  Doyel, the reason CC is available is because he is one of the pitchers well known for durability and throwing on short rest.  Verlander's never tried it before.  It has nothing to do with the Yankees' payroll.  I will guarantee you that CC had a hand in this decision as well, I highly doubt the Yankees are ordering him to go out there and be a good soldier to throw out his arm.  It's not a cavalier additude, it's the fact that CC can go without rest, Verlander can't, end of story.

Since: Nov 7, 2006
Posted on: October 6, 2011 10:49 am

Such a Yankee move

Thank you Doyel for making our IQs shrink a little after reading this article.  This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read.  Every team has had this mentality in the postseason.  Believe me, as a Yankees fan, I wish they didn't.  I wish Randy Johnson didn't come out of the bullpen on 1 day's rest in 1995 and pitch against us in Game 5 of the ALDS.  I wish again, in 2001, the same Randy Johnson came out of the pen on 1 day's rest, again, and pitched in Game 7 of the World Series.  How about Pedro in 1995 coming out of the Pen in Game 5 of the ALDS against the Indians.  There is just too many instances to name.  This isn't a Yankees thing, it's a postseason attitute.  Personally, Verlander should be fighting with his manager to let him be avaiable to throw an inning.  One inning is not going to blow your arm out.  Doyel, clearly, you have never played baseball, probably not any sport and don't know the feeling of competitiveness and winning.  You do anything to win it because you never know when you will be back.  It's the same thing with pitching on 3 day's rest.  It used to be common form for your Game 1 starter to pitch game 4 and 7.  Jack Morris is probably laughing to himself that these primadona pitchers are so afraid to man up and let it all hang out.  Why do you thing the Yankees won in 2009 because they had men pitching for them who pitched on 3 day's rest. 

GO Yankees!!!!

Since: Aug 23, 2006
Posted on: October 6, 2011 9:27 am

Such a Yankee move

A great reply, as I could not have said it better myself.  There are tons of examples of teams other than the Yankess using pitchers on short rest or an extended pitch count (Al Leiter threw almost 150 pitches in game 5 of the 2000 World Series).

Someone like Bob Gibson would tell Doyel to take off that skirt and put on a pair of pants.   


Since: Oct 6, 2011
Posted on: October 6, 2011 7:54 am

Such a Yankee move

so was Cliff Lee available in the pen yesterday...a Yankees move?

Was Schilling in many postseasons...a Yankees move?

We have seen hundreds of examples of pitchers coming in on short rest during the playoffs, how did this suddenly become a Yankees only move? 

Since: Feb 11, 2008
Posted on: October 6, 2011 7:36 am

Such a Yankee move

Sabathia wouldn't be available unless Sabathia was 100% on board with the idea of pitching on 2 days rest. I distinctly remember the Brewers running Sabathia on 3 days rest for about 2 months when they acquired him from the Indians in 2008. It isn't like this is the first time that he's pitched on short rest. I also have to say he has to have a really low pitch count limit (20-25 pitches wouldn't surprise me). Saying he's available and actually being used are 2 different things. I guess we'll find out.

Since: Jul 17, 2008
Posted on: October 6, 2011 7:34 am

Such a Yankee move

This is one of the stupidest articles I've ever read. Uh, is he saying that NO team except the Yankees does this? Its ALWAYS all hands on deck for a game 5, or 7, for any team. And its funny how I read so many articles about the Yankees babying their young pitchers with innings limits(see:Hughes, Chamberlain). Give me a break!

Since: Sep 7, 2011
Posted on: October 6, 2011 7:08 am

Such a Yankee move

Hoping their steriod ladden team lose , missed a sentence Haha sorry guys

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