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Carson gets what he wants. So why am I happy?

Posted on: October 18, 2011 10:43 am
Edited on: October 18, 2011 10:50 am
 
I was going to be mad. How mad? Ballistic. The Bengals were trading Carson Palmer today to the Raiders, that was the news, and I was going to be furious with Bengals owner Mike Brown for letting Palmer get what he wants.

But then I heard what the Bengals are set to receive for Palmer.

Two first-round picks? Two? OK, anger subsided. Palmer gets what he wants, yes, but the Bengals got more than they deserved. Palmer isn't worth two No. 1 picks, not anymore, not with his knee surgically repaired and his elbow a question mark and his pilot light flickering where a competitive fire ought to be raging.

Two No. 1's?

Two?!?

Sometimes the bad guys win, and Palmer -- quitter, baby -- is the bad guy in this scenario. Mike Brown is rarely the good guy in any scenario, but he's the good guy now. He played hardball with Palmer, and won. Brown will want to remember this day. He hasn't won like this since he was born, silver-spoon style, into one of the first families of football 74 years ago. And I doubt he remembers that.

But Brown won this go-around. The Raiders get a quarterback and Palmer gets to play some more, but I'm not concerned with those guys. I'm a Cincinnati guy, and Cincinnati owner Mike Brown just used Carson Palmer to crush the Raiders.

Now, if only Brown would quit while he's ahead and hire a general manager to make those picks for him ...



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Since: Oct 19, 2006
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:36 pm
 

Carson gets what he wants. So why am I happy?

but you don't know that some club wouldn't have earlier--again, enabling themselves to have Palmer for the full season, not just part of it.  So far as we know, the reason Brown didn't trade him much earlier

In that same token as far as we know he wasnt offered the bounty because no trade was made. That conjecture works both ways.



Since: Feb 28, 2011
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:26 pm
 

Carson gets what he wants. So why am I happy?

  • Joseph – good player gone before being paid big money
  • Hall - 44 tackles during the 2010 campaign -- the lowest of his career - 1 interception this year against the lowly Colts
  • Rivers – injury prone hasn’t played a game this season – at best – 2<sup>nd</sup> tier LB
  • Gresham – 2010 – 471 yds – 4 tds     2011 – 231 yds 3 tds  -  ok 9<sup>th</sup> in the league among TE’s in yards 4<sup>th</sup> in TD’s   - not a Pro-Bowler, but good
  • Smith – questionable work ethic
  • Green – give it to you here – great player – won’t stick around for 2<sup>nd</sup> contract – will demand more than Brown will pay.
  • If the next 2 first rounders are equal to these, then Steelers still win.  Exactly when was the last time the Bengals won a Super Bowl under Brown? The Bungles have exactly 1 more playoff appearance than the Steelers do Super Bowl Appearances. Keep up the good work Brown.



Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:26 pm
 

Carson gets what he wants. So why am I happy?

No way a team would pay more.
Maybe right now they wouldn't, but you don't know that some club wouldn't have earlier--again, enabling themselves to have Palmer for the full season, not just part of it.  So far as we know, the reason Brown didn't trade him much earlier (or at least so he seemed to indicate) was that he was hoping Palmer would return, and he was trying to bluff Palmer into backing off from holding out--an attempt which failed, obviously. 
Brown was catching hell from all the usual know nothing pundits for not trading him for a 4th rounder and a pack of hubba bubba

Well, yeah, anyone who was urging him to take so little WOULD be a know-nothing.  But that doesn't change the reasons Brown gave for not trading him earlier.  And it doesn't change my point that the author of the story was wrong in saying that Brown somehow got the best of Palmer, whatever he may have done to the Raiders.




Since: Oct 15, 2007
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:26 pm
 

Carson gets what he wants. So why am I happy?

He really didn't win. The Bengals are going to have a difficult time getting top talent much like when Eli refused to play for San Diego. He may have won the battle but I think the future will prove he lost the war.



Since: Oct 19, 2006
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:10 pm
 

Carson gets what he wants. So why am I happy?

As to Brown, I'm not saying he was wrong for initially standing up to Palmer.  But if he was going to knuckle under, as he eventually did, he probably might as well have done it earlier in the season or before the season.  Who knows, he might have gotten more at that time from a team that would then have had Palmer for a full season, not just half of it.
And don't count on that 2013 draft pick being a first-rounder.  As I understand it, that pick is only a first-rounder if the Raiders win at least one playoff game in the meantime.  How confident are you that that will happen?  (Article doesn't say what round the pick will be if they don't win a playoff game.)

No way a team would pay more. The ONLY reason Oakland paid this much was because

1) They are 4-2 squarely in contention when their starter goes down with a broken collarbone

2) The injury happens 2 days before the trade deadline.

3) Oakland didn't have any other 2012 picks to use so they had to go big or go home.

This perfect confluence of events is what yielded the bounty for the Bengals. No team would have been willing to part with as much once the lockout was ended. Brown was catching hell from all the usual know nothing pundits for not trading him for a 4th rounder and a pack of hubba bubba. And now Brown gets vindicated by hold firm for high compensation for a "Franchise" QB. (He's not a Franchise QB anymore, hence the quotations)

And if the 2013 pick isn't a first rounder it becomes a Second round pick. If the Raiders win a playoff game in 2012 its a 1st, if not its their 2nd.

Either way Mike Brown just got a kings ransom for a QB on the downside of his career. Things are looking UP in Cincinnati ....



Since: Oct 22, 2007
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:06 pm
 

Carson gets what he wants. So why am I happy?

I disagree with Palmer looking like he's on his last legs.  Last year after Ocho and TO were out of the picture Palmer played very well.



Since: Aug 6, 2008
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:02 pm
 

Carson gets what he wants. So why am I happy?

The Bengals will get 2 late 1st round draft picks.  Because the Raiders are playing with fire.  To have Carson Palmer at QB is an upgrade no matter how you look at it.  Maybe now the Raiders will have a passing game.  The Raiders will save a few bucks by not overpaying for under acheving rookies.  The Raiders are a young team in general, and really have their team in a position to move forward.  They will do just fine with the few picks they have and also working free agency.  I think both sides win.  The Raiders can hopefully continue their push for the playoffs, and possibly make history in another unexpecting way.  JUST WIN BABY!!! 



Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: October 18, 2011 2:00 pm
 

Carson gets what he wants. So why am I happy?

Mike Brown . . . played hardball with Palmer, and won
How so, Mr. Doyel?  Brown may have gotten the best of the Raiders, but he certainly didn't "win" anything against Palmer.  Palmer got exactly what he wanted, which was to be traded.  Do you think he cared very much what the Bengals got in exchange for him?  (Of course he and the Raiders may miss next year's first-round pick, but something like that he must have expected.)
As to Brown, I'm not saying he was wrong for initially standing up to Palmer.  But if he was going to knuckle under, as he eventually did, he probably might as well have done it earlier in the season or before the season.  Who knows, he might have gotten more at that time from a team that would then have had Palmer for a full season, not just half of it.
And don't count on that 2013 draft pick being a first-rounder.  As I understand it, that pick is only a first-rounder if the Raiders win at least one playoff game in the meantime.  How confident are you that that will happen?  (Article doesn't say what round the pick will be if they don't win a playoff game.)



Since: Oct 19, 2006
Posted on: October 18, 2011 1:58 pm
 

Carson gets what he wants. So why am I happy?

Now, if only Brown would quit while he's ahead and hire a general manager to make those picks for him ...


Why? Who made the AJ Green, Andy Dalton, Geno Atkins, Carlos Dunlap, Leon Hall, Bernard Scott, Jermaine Gresham & Jordan Shipley picks?

I know Brown is an easy target but lately he looks pretty good with the output he's had with the last few drafts.

Perhaps its time to retire the "Bengals cant scout" meme. This team is absolutely loaded with young talent. And begrudgingly we have to give credit to Brown for some of it.




Since: Aug 30, 2007
Posted on: October 18, 2011 1:53 pm
 

Carson gets what he wants. So why am I happy?

I am not a Palmer apologist but anyone NOT a Bengals fan can see that yes, his skills have diminished a bit due to age, injury, and just plain apathy in Cincy, but he isn't overrated. His stud receivers in Cincy were Ocho, Houshmandzadeh, and Henry when not in jail. How have they faired without Palmer? Ocho is too dumb to learn the NE offense, Housh flamed out in Seattle and Baltimore, Henry was so crazy...we all know what happened. Those were just the miscreants he was throwing to, what about the surrounding idiots that he had to deal with also on the team? Jones, Benson, Odom, Johnson, etc., the rap sheet goes on. Oh, and lets not forget T.O.'s 1 year stint. Those aren't the kind of guys that build morale or accountability. What struck me as funny about this trade though is if you were going to ask the average NFL football fan who the most dysfunctional teams in the NFL have been over the past 2 decades, Cincy would be 1 and Oakland would be 2 followed up with a close 3 with Washington. And isn't that the reason Palmer really wanted out, to get away from incompetence and buffoonery? I really wonder if Palmer would have accepted this trade 3 weeks earlier when Al was still with us or if he would have elected to stay retired? At any rate, I wouldn't expect much out of Palmer for at least 2-3 weeks. We all knew Campbell was going to get hurt, just not the exact week. I wouldn't pronounce the Chiefs dead yet either. The Broncos, yes. The Chargers may have Gates back as well if his foot holds up and that makes Rivers twice as effective so this may all be for 2nd place either way. And I doubt 2 playoff teams come out of the AFC west.


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