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Curt Schilling: Hall of Famer?

Posted on: June 23, 2008 2:33 pm
Edited on: June 23, 2008 11:34 pm
As we all know, Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling is going to have season-ending shoulder surgery that very well may end his career. Here are his career stats:

Regular season:

3261.0 IP
3.46 ERA
1.137 WHIP
3116 K
711 BB
22 SV


133.3 IP
2.23 ERA
0.968 WHIP
120 K
25 BB

Schilling was one of the best big game pitchers of his era. He started 7 World Series games, and went 3-1 with a 2.06 ERA in those games. He started Game 7 for my Diamondbacks back in 2001, a game in which the D-Backs won. Schilling has won 3 World Series rings, and a co-World Series MVP.

I think he will get into the Hall of Fame, but he definitely isn't a lock for the Hall of Fame. His win total is not that high, which might be the reason why he doesn't get in. At first glance, his stats do not look amazing, which is why I originally said he wouldn't get in. But after looking at some of these numbers, I changed my mind.

These numbers rank all right-handed starters from 1992, the year Schilling first moved into the starting rotation in Philadelphia, through 2007, the year he possibly threw his final pitch in Boston.
  • Schilling had the most complete games with 83. Greg Maddux was the next closest with 76.
  • Pedro Martinez was the only righty with a better strikeout ratio than Schilling.
  • Pedro Martinez and Roger Clemens are the only righties with more strikeouts than Schilling.
  • Only Pedro Martinez and Greg Maddux had a better WHIP than Schilling.
  • Curt Schilling has the best strikeout-walk ratio in the modern era (lefties included).
  • Only Christy Mathewson (yes, I know he didn't pitch in 1992) has a better postseason ERA than Schilling (with a minimum of 100 innings pitched).

Here are some arguments against Schilling:
  • He has never won a Cy Young Award
  • He never threw a no-hitter
  • He wasn't close to winning 250 games
  • He has won 11 or less games on 10 occasions.
  • In 10 of his 20 seasons, Schilling failed to make 30 starts, and on six ocassions, he failed to make 20 starts.

If Schilling does get into the Hall of Fame, it will be interesting which team he will go in with. My guess would be the Red Sox because of the Bloody Sock incident and the historical comeback, but he could also go in with the Phillies or Diamondbacks, where he also pitched well.

Let the debating begin.
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Since: Nov 7, 2006
Posted on: June 23, 2008 11:33 pm
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Since: Feb 4, 2008
Posted on: June 23, 2008 11:02 pm

Curt Schilling: Hall of Famer?

The Hall of Fame is the best of the best.  That is why I can't see them letting Schilling in.  He has had a good career, but the numbers just aren't there to be considered a Hall great.  Granted, he's been the best in the postseason.  But if the Hall elected players based on playoff success, mediocre players like Kirk Gibson/Joe Carter (and Schilling) would be in the Hall.  I think the Hall of Fame should be an exclusive club where only the greatest players of each generation are enshrined.  Who wants to go to the Hall and see stuff about good (but not great) players like Bert Byleven, Phil Niekro, or Schilling?  Not me.  There are only two active starting pitchers that are slam dunks to make the Hall of Fame ( Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine ).  Even guys like Randy Johnson and Mike Mussina are going to be on the fringe hoping.  I think Schilling's name will be considered every year, but I just don't see how you can objectively look at the numbers and elect him.  But he'll probably eventually get in.  Then again, I think there are players in the Hall of Fame that shouldn't be (Nolan Ryan), but sometimes reputations outweighs results (I'm talking W-L/ERA so don't start yapping about strikeouts).

P.S.-  If you have time, take my poll of the greatest pitcher of all time (if you can get through my sarcasm) on my post "Is Mark Prior the greatest pitcher ever?".

Since: Mar 15, 2008
Posted on: June 23, 2008 8:29 pm

Curt Schilling: Hall of Famer?

Not a big fan of the man, but he deserves the Hall. As you note, the biggest strike against him is his rather meager win total, which is, in my opinion, a rather irrelevant number. Like RBI and Runs, the number of wins depends more or less on the team one plays for, in addition to the quality of one's bullpen. Not that RBI and Runs depends on the quality of your bullpen, but you get my point, which is...I forget. But whoever thought that the phrase "Bloody Sock Incident" would ever become part of the baseball lexicon?

My suspicion is that when the 2012 class comes up (Bonds, Sosa, Clemens), the writers will lean towards a more feel-good story in Schilling.

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