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Things that don't need to happen for the Cubs

Posted on: October 8, 2008 11:31 pm
 

Here are some ideas that have been passed around that shouldn't happen. AKA these are stupid ideas

1) Trade Derrek Lee. First off why anyone would consider trading the team leader, multiple time AS, multiple time GG winner, and former batting champion is beyond me. And even if they wanted to, Derrek has stated in the past that he loves Chicago and wants to stay. And he has a no trade clause. Then there's some belief that they will somehow be able to go out and get Tex to replace him. This is the whole bird in hand is worth two in the bush thing.

2) That the Cubs need a new leadoff hitter. The whole 'Cubs can't win with Soriano batting leadoff' is a myth. The truth is the Cubs can't win with Soriano playing like crap. Whether he's batting 1st, 3rd or even 8th it's not going to matter if he's batting .071. The bottom of the order is good enough to justify batting Soriano leadoff and it worked during the season, when he wasn't playing like crap.

3) Trade Aramis Ramirez. How the hell can anyone say this seriously? He's the most clutch player on the team, and if I remember correctly the franchise leader in postseason HRs and RBIs.

4) Micah Hoffpauir starting in right. That feeling I got when the Sam Fuld for Center Field talks occured last year, thats what I get when I see this talk. It's not good.

5) Trade for Ichiro. Oh the pretty penny it would take to get him. Plus all his teammates apparently hate him. Which leads me to my final one:

6) Sign Manny Ramirez. Repeat after me: Clubhouse Cancer.

The 2008 Cubs won 97 games in the regular season. They don't have many holes. If Cub fans want to build a team that's incapable of struggling for 3 games, they should try. But that team won't be assembled. Especially with the Yankees having a bunch of loose cash, a new stadium and the eagerness to get back to the postseason.

The Cubs stars in 2009 will be AmRam, DLee, Soriano and Zambrano. No new huge names. No saviors. Just more of the same. And I can take that.

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Since: Oct 14, 2006
Posted on: October 11, 2008 3:31 pm
 

Things that don't need to happen for the Cubs

i am by no means a cubs fan.  i will be honest.  i enjoyed watching last week because i'm a cardinals fan.  come on, it's the rivalry...lol.  i think the cubs have all the right tools.  it is just getting them all to click at the right time.  i think when the playoffs come around, the whole 100 years thing gets into their heads.  i'm not badmouthing the cubs.  i'm just saying what i think could be the problem.  they just need to get their heads in the game.  they have a great lineup.  derosa will be great for a few more years.  theriot is up and coming.  ramirez hits the ball well every season.  soriano (when healthy) slugs the balls.  derrek lee has been a little streaky lately.  cubs could probably use an outfielder.  and maybe a rp.  but i think they are fine.  they just need to click at the same time at the right time.  baseball playoffs is about who's hot at the time.  the dodgers were a hot team. 

this is the only time i'll talk good about the cubs so don't get used to it....lol.




Since: Apr 17, 2007
Posted on: October 10, 2008 1:42 pm
 

Things that don't need to happen for the Cubs

Fortunately the Cubs play for a fanbase that doesn't panic and call for a total overhaul or dumping it's best players because they struggle against good pitching in a wildly tense atmosphere for a small number of games.  Oh, wait...

Trading Derek now wouldn't boil down to panic, but it does boil down to trying to get someone while he still has value. Derrek is 33 and he has two more years on his contract at 13mil a year. I don't have all the answers since I'm not Hendry, but there doesn't seem to be much in the Cubs system in the way of a first baseman.

No, it does not.  Point is, Lee's .545 and Ramirez being awful in 3 games, or even 6 games, is just too small a sample set to make any kind of intelligent assessment.  Or are we also saying that the 12 game sample set in 2003 for Ramirez is irrelevant?

No, it's not irrelevant. But its enough for me. Look at Soriano in the playoffs. The pressure deal is definitely real, but what made the 04 Red Sox different from the last two Cubs teams? How come they could get it done or at the very least, put up a fight, while the Cubs limp away? I think, realistically, is that while the Cubs have a great lineup, its full of players who are extremely streaky. That makes it really tough to win a 5 or even a 7 game series if guys like Ramirez and Soriano can't touch a ball with a ten foot pole.



Since: May 27, 2008
Posted on: October 10, 2008 12:07 pm
 

Things that don't need to happen for the Cubs

While a small sample size, it does scream something doesn't it? No, it does not.  Point is, Lee's .545 and Ramirez being awful in 3 games, or even 6 games, is just too small a sample set to make any kind of intelligent assessment.  Or are we also saying that the 12 game sample set in 2003 for Ramirez is irrelevant?  Look, there's a reason the best team in a given season rarely wins the world series - there is a huge element of luck.  All you can do is have the horses to get there, and have the shutdown pitching to dominate other lineups.  Oh, and hope you don't play for a team that piles so much additional pressure on you via media and fans that it makes it even more difficult to perform.  Fortunately the Cubs play for a fanbase that doesn't panic and call for a total overhaul or dumping it's best players because they struggle against good pitching in a wildly tense atmosphere for a small number of games.  Oh, wait...



Since: Apr 17, 2007
Posted on: October 10, 2008 4:28 am
 

Things that don't need to happen for the Cubs

Is it because, in 6 games of postseason experience, we have evidence that none of our players can play in October? 

Yes. While a small sample size, it does scream something doesn't it? The players might not have to change, but something sure does. Your following sentence about the 97 win team just magnifies that even more.

Lee needs to be jettisoned.  Please ignore the fact that he just hit .545 in that series.  **.545**!!! 

Again, a three game series. But he's also the clubhouse leader, and the Cubs haven't responded real well during the last two post season series. Maybe the real problem is that the's the only clubhouse leader? And you know its not Ramirez stats that bug Cubs fans, but the horrible plate approaches from him and many others during the playoffs that make us feel as though we're watching the bizarro Cubs.

It does perhaps need some better postseason leadership that can get players to relax, since the entire lineup departed from their patient, disciplined approach at the plate

Right.

  I generally think that with this deep a lineup, having Soriano leading off works just fine, since the bottom of the order often sets the table for him.

  Right and Wrong. It worked fine during the regular season when he has no pressure on him, but the Cubs postseason aside, he just locks up regardless of who he is playing for during the post season.

He did just fine in Texas and Washington hitting 3-5 while putting up some of his best numbers (which coincidently, also put him in the position to have a chance at a contract of 130 mil).

 The issue I have is that when he is floundering, and chasing every single pitch he sees, he can set a very negative tone for the rest of the lineup. 

We have multiple All-Stars in our lineup. The day Aramis decides that he has to start swinging at breaking stuff three feet outside because Soriano hasn't been on base in a while is when he should be benched for a couple of games. I'm sorry guys, but bad approaches and bad pitch recognition isn't contagious from one player. Trying to pick up a whole offense that is choking is completely different.



Since: Apr 17, 2007
Posted on: October 10, 2008 4:07 am
 

Things that don't need to happen for the Cubs

If Soriano continues to lead off, he should stay where he is. Cause the 3 hole in that lineup is like a 2-hitter, which suits him decently.So you're saying because Soriano doesn't get on base enough, it effectively make Dlee the default #2 hitter? Decently is not the word one should use to describe the potential 3 hitter on a team that wants to contend for the NL. Lee had one great, awesome year. Otherwise, with his bat control, 15-20 hr power, and knack of rally killing dps, he should be the 6 guy in the current Cubs lineup. Or, he could be the actual 2 guy, rather than the "other" two guy when Soriano fails to get one base.  Face it: Lee was a five, six guy at best when the Cubs got him, and except for the one year, he still is and always was. He'll never be a guy the Cubs can count on to carry the team for an extended period of time, other than in the clubhouse. I love him. His is the only jersey I ever bought from the Cubs. But Derrek should not bat third this next year.   



Since: Aug 28, 2006
Posted on: October 9, 2008 11:40 pm
 

Things that don't need to happen for the Cubs

Every where I turn I read "something needs to change." (hi, deedsy)Hi Paul I don't know why you aren't on my favs list consider you added. Anyways I agree I don't want an overhaul. Some people are calling for total overhaul not me.

I call it retooling. To me Lee is only expendable if you sign Texiera and that is a big if. Well unless they truly want to give Hoff the chance, but I think that would be high risk, low reward move. Soriano is going to be impossible to move even though I wouldn't totally oppose it if Manny was brought in. I know team cancer thing, but bottom line is this guy gets it done in the playoffs and the Cubs could use a guy like that so it is tempting. That being said neither of these moves will happen and probably shouldn't happen anyways.

The moves that need to be made resign Dempster, and Wood. Hang on to Marquis the guy takes the ball every start himself, Lily, and Dempster seem to be the only guys we could count on for that this year. Marquis is great in the 5 hole for any team.

The two changes that need to happen in my eyes. Number one is we need a true lead off hitter I see three options 1 if by sign Furcal, and 2 if by trade Roberts or Ichiro. I think the most likely of these and the one I actually envision happening is Brian Roberts. Also we could do well and find a left handed power hitter whether that is Abreu, Ibanez, or I believe Hermeida through a trade might be an option two I heard. These two big, but easily do able changes will set this team apart even more from the rest of the NL pack.

Also they could do well and find some middle relief pitching possibly too. Nothing two big, but I think it needs to be done if we want to take that next step.



Since: May 27, 2008
Posted on: October 9, 2008 1:25 pm
 

Things that don't need to happen for the Cubs

Every where I turn I read "something needs to change." (hi, deedsy)

Why?

Is it because, in 6 games of postseason experience, we have evidence that none of our players can play in October?  Because there are 162 games of evidence that says this team is both deep and solid.  Are there better first basemen than Lee?  Sure.  Good luck getting Pujols out of StL.  Barry Bonds couldn't hit worth a lick his first three trips to the postseason.  And then he carried his team to the WS.

Ramirez has been horrible.  Obviously can't play in October.  Except for 2003, when he hit .270 in 12 games, with 4HRs and 10 RBIs.  Lee needs to be jettisoned.  Please ignore the fact that he just hit .545 in that series.  **.545**!!!  Hello?  What is the problem here?  I know - we need to give our minor leaguers a better shot.  Great!  Let's dump Soto and Theriot, who had a tough time in Sep and Oct, to give our young talent a shot.  While we're at it, let's make sure that Hoffpauir starts every day despite his suspect defense.  We sure proved in Game 2 that defense is irrelevant...

Come on, guys.  My biggest concern is mean reversion for players like Derosa coming off a career year, and whether or not there are serious problems with Z.  Would a solid lefty leadoff hitter improve our lineup?  Probably so, but not by a ton.  But the roster overhaul people are demanding smacks of irrational panic, and ignores 162 games of very solid evidence that the team does NOT need an overhaul just yet.  It does perhaps need some better postseason leadership that can get players to relax, since the entire lineup departed from their patient, disciplined approach at the plate.  I generally think that with this deep a lineup, having Soriano leading off works just fine, since the bottom of the order often sets the table for him.  The issue I have is that when he is floundering, and chasing every single pitch he sees, he can set a very negative tone for the rest of the lineup.  I think it no coincidence that his 1 for 14 performance rarely saw more than 2 pitches (except for the Ks), and that the rest of the lineup started to press behind him.

More than anything, I hate that we have to wait another 162 games before we even get a chance to redeem this horrible no-show.  And I am wincing already at the number of moronic articles about the Cubs, their fans, and the losing streak, that will be written in the interim...




Since: Dec 26, 2006
Posted on: October 9, 2008 12:04 am
 

Things that don't need to happen for the Cubs

That being said, I would like to see him batting sixth

If Soriano continues to lead off, he should stay where he is. Cause the 3 hole in that lineup is like a 2-hitter, which suits him decently.

The idea I seem to like is Raul Ibanez. He's left-handed, still a very good hitter (.293 23 HR 110 RBI .837 OPS last year), a guy former Lou guy, plays everyday, is a free agent and has already said that his main priority is going to a winner...it's just the defense that would be an issue. He's a good short-term option. Then possibly another bullpen arm (Damaso Marte if the Yankees don't reup him) Maybe trade Ronny Cedeno, as (and I don't remember where I read this) he aparently had an incident with a member of the Cubs training staff.




Since: Aug 28, 2006
Posted on: October 8, 2008 11:52 pm
 

Things that don't need to happen for the Cubs

You make some good points Don and I can see your point of view on these however something needs to change. Yes Soriano needs to produce more that is true however I still would love to see a true lead off hitter brought in here.

Soriano quite frankly to me looks a lot better in any spot other then lead off. Don't get me wrong if the Cubs don't do anything, but resign Demp and Wood and gets some middle relief help I will still be ready for next season.

However I see some very interesting moves happening this off season just a feeling.



Since: Aug 2, 2008
Posted on: October 8, 2008 11:46 pm
 

Things that don't need to happen for the Cubs

I totally agree with you don, that is one of the reasons why I don't go to the Cubs message board. There are way too many ridiculous trade scenarios and signings.

What do you think moves the Cubs should make if any moves don?



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