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Do Not Trade Felix Pie

Posted on: January 30, 2008 6:19 pm
 

I really cannot explain why I feel that it would be a long term mistake to trade Pie, but I feel that way.  Now, if some drunk GM wants to give us a young, speedy, LH, CF who has produced in the league in return, Then Hell Yeah, trade him.  But, including him to get either Brian Roberts, Erik Bedard, Joe Blanton, or most other players that the Cubs are rumored to have an interest in does not appeal to me.

I am aware of all the arguments.  He is a just a prospect, even worse, a Cubs prospect.  So therefore, he is doubly cursed not to ever amount to a decent MLB hitter.  Well, I cannot agree with that.  The Cubs do have a poor history of developing positional players and are only mildly better with developing pitchers.  My argument to that is that while true, it has no connection with the instructors, coaches and managers the Cubs have in place today.  As people within the organization change, does not the organizational abiilities change?  I know the change may not be for the better, but my point is these people did not ruin Gary Scott, Corey Patterson, or any other failed prospect from the past.  I am of the opinion to give this version of Cubs leadership the chance to see what they can do with this intriguing combination of talent and skill. 

The other argument is that he cannot hit MLB pitching.  I can agree that he has not hit MLB pitching well thus far.  But, he has had 177 MLB ABs.  Ther are plenty of players who go on to have decent to great careers that needed the chance to find their way at the plate.  What we have seen from him to date can improve.  I understand there is no guarantee.  But, if Hendry is holding out Pie from a currently rumored trade, I'm not mad at him. 

Some prospects become tomorrow's greats.  Even the Cubs hierarchy is allowed to gamble on one of their prospects from time to time.  Of course, you'd like to be right.  But, IMO, Felix Pie is one worth taking that gamble on. 

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Since: Jan 2, 2007
Posted on: January 31, 2008 11:34 am
 

Do Not Trade Felix Pie

Sorry about that:

Guys Below are listed with their first season with at least 100AB

      
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Torri Hunter     
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Barry Bonds     
      
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Miguel Tejada     
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I think some of these guys have had decent careers so far !!!

Let's see what Pie can do as a starting in CF!




Since: Jan 2, 2007
Posted on: January 31, 2008 11:30 am
 

Do Not Trade Felix Pie

I couldn't agree more with this post. Give him a chance! Look at some stats from the below players. I promise you'll recognize some of them. I'm not comparing Felix Pie to them, but just making the point that you can't prove anything from 177 ABs.

Guys Below are listed with their first season with at least 100AB

Carl Crawford

Brian Roberts

Torri Hunter

Barry Bonds

Sammy Sosa

Jim Thome

Miguel Tejada

Alex Rodriguez

 




Since: Nov 8, 2006
Posted on: January 31, 2008 8:55 am
 

Do Not Trade Felix Pie

Well said, Jazzman. While I could understand the Cubs not playing him much last season when he struggled during the playoff push, it has been one of the more bizarre discussion points to me this offseason for many fans to interpret that to mean Pie will never hit major league pitching. Those same fans would be the ones crying "why did we trade this guy?" if he is traded elsewhere and succeeds.

The kid has all the potential in the world. The only thing he has not had up to this point is the opportunity to be in the lineup regurlarly for the Cubs. But 177 ABs, many of them pinch hitting, are not enough to judge his ultimate success at the big league level. I think that given the opportunity, he can make the necessary adjustments and become a quality contributor to the Cubs.




Since: May 22, 2007
Posted on: January 31, 2008 12:11 am
 

Do Not Trade Felix Pie

If what I've heard is true and Pie has struggled in winter ball, it's damn sure the real baseball guys know about it too. Therefore, now is probably the worst time to trade Pie. His stock is depressed to the point that the Cubs just might as well keep him and see if they can make a diamond out of broken glass.

You bring up an interesting point about the Cubs' current development personnel, Jazz. Perhaps they'll start looking at some different ways for Pie to optimize his talents. Offensively, I don't see him ever becoming a significant power threat, though I'm sure the team would love to work on his ability to hit gappers that have him at 3rd base where mere mortals might have to pull up at 2nd. That's where Pie's speed currently is -- the open-field sprint as opposed to acceleration out of the block. But running is a very coachable activity, probably even more so than hitting. And it's just as plausible to beat a pitcher with speed as with a bat. Coleman did it. Wills did it. (I did it for 2 years in high school because I just flat out sucked big time when I tried to hit it out of the infield). You use what you got. Even Kingman knew that much.

It'll be interesting to see if they start working on Pie's bunting game (and there are a LOT of effective ways to bunt your way on), his slap hitting game, and his SB game. Right now, his SB game is held back by a poor ability to read pitchers' motions, and to get a good jump when he does. That can also be coached. Heck, Soriano can do it, for all the bread he's being paid. Soriano gets excellent reads time after time.

That's my two cents. Or three. But you're bloggin' so, hell, I'll throw it up on the board and see what sticks.



Since: Mar 28, 2007
Posted on: January 30, 2008 10:32 pm
 

Do Not Trade Felix Pie

I agree with your argument her jazzman.  I don't want to see Felix Pie traded away for a Brian Roberts or Erik Bedard.  He has not hit MLB pitching YET, but he will soon.  theQWERTY1 wrote a very good post analyzing this same topic.  People have been far too quick to judge Pie, and I think that it is a little unfair.  I want to see what the kid can do with a full season under his belt.


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