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No Elway, No Super Bowl

Posted on: December 30, 2008 5:58 pm
 

It's that simple for Mike Shanahan. He was a good coach but you cannot overcome the simple fact that without John Elway he's basically done nothing.

Yes, nothing.

And this year he lost a three-game lead with three left. He made history with that collapse.

The defense Shanahan built was an absolute disgrace.

He deserved to be fired.

The good news for Shanahan is that he'll end up with another job fast. Teams will trip over themselves trying to hire him. My guess is he ends up in New York. It'd be a great hire for the Jets.

The bad news is Elway's not coming out of retirement.
Category: NFL
Tags: Broncos
 
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Since: Sep 15, 2008
Posted on: February 4, 2009 1:20 pm
 

No Elway, No Super Bowl

Shanahan did nothing for Defence. 

 On the offencive side of the ball, McDanials inherits one of the youngest most tallented groups in the NFL.  The only work he will have on offencive is to keep Running backs healthy and keep Cutlers picks down.   

McDanials, and Nolan are going to have his work cut out for him of Defence.  Changing to 3-4 will be different.  The Defencive backfield will have to be completly rebuilt.  The only keeper is Champ Bailey.  Dry Bly is tallented but he is no Bailey.  Bly needs Safty help, and Denver does not have the Safties to help him.  Josh McDanials is going to have to trade draft picks for an experenced Free Safety.  Denver is in need of leadership.  Baily is a great player but he does not have the on field leadership of some one like John Lynch.  Denver needs a vocal leader to put the underachivers in there place. 

I'm not a big Ray Lewis fan but even with him being a step slower than he was in the past, he would still be a great addition.  Pat Bowlen will have to dig deep and give Lewis a long term contract to get him out of Baltimore. 

As soon as the Denver offencive unit can depend on the Defence to win a game, Only then will the Broncos be back to playoff form.   

 




Since: Dec 24, 2008
Posted on: January 1, 2009 2:21 am
 

No Elway, No Super Bowl

Sorry, but I think that Mike Shanahan is a great coach. Yes, he "only" won the Super Bowl twice, but that's twice more than most coaches.

The criticism is made that he only did it because he had John Elway. Well, true enough. But, Paul Brown probably only won because he had Otto Graham. Vince Lombardi had loads of talent to work with, too. Give him a lesser bunch of talents and who knows? The Eagles probably would not have won the 1960 Title Game without transplant Norm Van Brocklin. Without Sid Luckman, where would Papa Bear have been? Without Y.A. Tittle in 1961-1963, where would the New York Giants have been? We could go on and on and on with this argument. Tom Landry in Dallas had the great Roger Staubach and he won with him, yet lost in later years with the likes of Gary Hogeboom. Does that mean Tom Landry was not a great coach? Hardly. He got the most he could out of Steve Pelleur and Gary Hogeboom; probably more than most would have. Shanahan got the most he could out of the shifting cast of players he had to work with.

The fact is, the great coaches win with great talent to work with, but more importantly, they bring that talent out and to a boil. The great Green Bay Packer teams of the 1960's won with mostly the same talent that had been 1-12-1 the year before Lombardi came on.  Yes, there were some additions, but the main core of stars were already there. Bart Starr, Paul Hornung, Jim Taylor, Willie Wood and Ray Nitschke owe Vince a lot. Max McGee owed him a lot, too.

Bill Parcells is a great coach, but we may never have known that had he failed in New York. That could have easily happened had he not had LT at LB and Phill Simms at QB and Bill Belichick as his defensive coordinator. Belichick is a genius, in my humble opinion. He stole the 1990 Super Bowl from the Buffalo Bills with his defensive alignments. Do you remember the Giants rushing only two down linemen and still getting pressure on Jim Kelly? I would not have believed it except that I saw it with my own two eyes and I still have it on tape.

So, it should probably be said that Mike Shanahan was great enough to win with great talents like John Elway and Terrell Davis. That was the task before him and he did it well. It is no slam on him that he failed to win a Super Bowl after John Elway retired. He still won many games and had the Broncos in contention most seasons.

I am not a Denver fan, but I truly believe they will miss Mike Shanahan. I would not have fired him. It is an ignoble end to the greatest coach the Denver Broncos so far have had. He deserved better.

I'll tell you. Jerry Jones in Dallas is likely going to hire Shanahan sooner or later and it will be Dallas' gain.

Jack Douglas of Bonners Ferry, Idaho

 




Since: Jan 10, 2008
Posted on: December 31, 2008 10:58 am
 

No Elway, No Super Bowl

Wow... Mike, I don't know what you done to people to deserve this much critique on a BLOG entry.  You've definitely made some people mad throughout the year.
Mikey likes it.  He likes it, I tell ya! 



Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: December 31, 2008 10:58 am
 

No Elway, No Super Bowl

I think someone needs to look up the word "progressively."  Let's see...

1999: 6-10

2000: 11-5 (Playoffs)

2001: 8-8

2002: 9-7

2003: 10-6 (Playoffs)

2004: 10-6 (Playoffs)

2005: 13-3 (Playoffs)

2006: 9-7

2007: 7-9

2008: 8-8

Again, at least 20 franchises in the NFL have been less successful in the past 10 years.  Teams care about their record... because it's a measure of how competitive they are.  It's a measure of how close they are to the Big Game.  According the players/coaches/teams, winning the Superbowl is all that matters.  Well, then either every team in the past 10 years who hasn't won the Superbowl is either equal (record doesn't matter), or some are closer to be a Superbowl team than others (record does matter).  I'll take Denver's last 10 years over Detroits last 10 years.

I do, however, think it was time for Shanahan to go.  I think he was doing a great job as coach, a poor job as GM, but overall was entirely too comfortable and things have been getting stale and predictible.  And in the NFL, being predictible is a hard sin to overcome.




Since: Aug 22, 2006
Posted on: December 31, 2008 9:11 am
 

No Elway, No Super Bowl

Wow... Mike, I don't know what you done to people to deserve this much critique on a BLOG entry.  You've definitely made some people mad throughout the year.

Shanahan's firing is not completely justified, but he definitely shouldn't have been safe.  He's been on the "hot seat" for a couple of years now, so this shouldn't come to as much of a surprise as people in Denver are saying.  Its true that he hasn't won anything significant in Denver since Elway... and he has a body of work to prove that.  What Freeman didn't say was that he's gotten progressively worse every year without Elway.  That's the reason he got fired; and this nonsense about him having a record that any team would love to have is stupid.  No team cares about its record in the NFL; they care about getting to the playoffs and/or winning a Super Bowl.  Shanahan couldn't get to the Playoffs coming out the AFC West.  That's pretty pathetic... Five other non-division winning teams in the AFC had the records to actually win that division.

The problem was that Shanahan had noone to blame but himself for the players that he had, him being this stupid GM/Coach hybrid type.  Maybe this will prompt other teams to not be so dumb and coaches to not be so power-hungry.



Since: Jun 26, 2008
Posted on: December 31, 2008 8:01 am
 

No Elway, No Super Bowl

West Coast Gator...you my friend are a moron ( which I could already tell from your name). After Marty left San Diego, they reached the AFC championship game the next year. There is no "barely" making the playoffs. Either you are in or you are not, and once you get there, your regular season record means nothing. Marty never won a single playoff game and that's all that matters. I'll take 8-8 and peaking at the right time over 14-2, and one and done every year.



Since: Feb 13, 2008
Posted on: December 31, 2008 7:50 am
 

No Elway, No Super Bowl

"but the Broncos are still the last team to win back to back Super Bowls"

what a crappy, poorly thought out criticism.  You could have googled "superbowl winners" and found out that the Patriots had one back-to-back superbowls since Denver did their feat. 


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Since: Oct 29, 2008
Posted on: December 31, 2008 6:19 am
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Since: Jun 8, 2008
Posted on: December 31, 2008 1:36 am
 

No Elway, No Super Bowl

my point is that without a franchise QB, great coaches become ordinary very quickly...

im not defending Shanahan the GM...i think for every Cutler, Marshall, or Royal he's gotten on offense, he's gotten a Jarvis Moss on defense...i have no objection to someone else making the personnel decisions in Denver; it's too big a job anymore to be coach and GM...Shanahan couldn't do it, Holmgren couldn't, Andy Reid can't...the coach should have input, but he shouldnt be running the whole show...

i still feel that Shanahan the coach is very good, and my question is, "Who do you get to replace him on the sideline that's better?"  as i said, i want Cowher, but besides that, honestly, who else is available that would be an upgrade?  and i say upgrade, as you dont get rid of a good coach to bring in a lesser one (outside of Dallas and Oakland)...

unfortunately, that obviously wasnt an option...reports out of Denver say that it happened so suddenly because Shanahan refused to fire a coach, but you have to wonder if Cowher's availability is a factor...




Since: Jan 18, 2008
Posted on: December 31, 2008 1:07 am
 

No Elway, No Super Bowl

I have no idea what the point of this article is, and I can't understand your point in posting it, Free - it seems as if you were punching your time card with one hand and typing with the other.

Just so you're aware, the Great Don Shula had Dan Marino on his team for 13 years and accomplished a lot less than Shanahan did. I guess that means that without Earl Morrall and Bob Griese, Don Shula did basically nothing.



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