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Brett Favre and the 'H' word

Posted on: October 31, 2009 4:55 pm
Edited on: October 31, 2009 4:57 pm
 
GREEN BAY -- Former Packer LeRoy Butler remembers the time, a few years back, when a group of Packers players from the 1996 Super Bowl team wanted to organize a reunion. It was a nice idea but there was a problem.

When some former players phoned Favre and left messages for him, he didn't return their calls.

Some players weren't surprised they didn't hear from the All-Universe thrower. After all, Favre used to dress in a different locker area from the rest of the team.

The rift between Favre and the current Packers management may have started quite simply. Favre wasn't treated like a diva, and he took offense, and the relationship degraded from there.

Favre proponents believe he is a sincere warrior; Favre realists know better, understanding that Favre's ego is as potent as his arm.

The 'H' word is hate. Do some on both sides hate each other?

Probably not but there also isn't a great deal of like between former Packers players, current management and Favre.

The nerves were again exposed when Favre said this Minnesota team was the best he ever played on. It was met with a swift rebuke by some of Favre's former teammates who took genuine offense in interviews with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

"To say that the team he's on now, after seven games, is better than the '96 team - that's just preposterous. Not only did we have the No. 1 defense in 1996, but we had No. 1 special teams," said Butler. "I bleed green and gold so much. I don't want somebody to beat my team. This is my team. I played 181 games, I was there before Brett, before Reggie White and Ron Wolf and everybody. This team means a lot to me, so when somebody calls up on the radio show: 'Brett Favre is the one that turned everything around' - it's almost a disrespectful slap in the face."

Said former tight end Mark Chmura: "I kind of went through the teams position by position and they just aren't as good as we were. And it all starts with Brett - Brett's not as good as he was. They have Adrian Peterson, but I think Chester Taylor is a guy. We had Dorsey (Levens) and Edgar (Bennett), that's pretty good balance. Our tight ends were clearly better (laughs). I may be biased. Their offensive line may be a little bit better. Our quarterback was 10 times better, our receivers were better, our special teams were much better.

"I mean, you're talking about the No. 1 defense in the league at that time, maybe one of the best defenses ever to play the game. Don't get me wrong. Favre is still a good quarterback, but he was unbelievable in the day. When we played back then, teams feared us. I don't know if teams fear the Minnesota Vikings today. We knew no one could beat us at home, absolutely nobody."

Then Chmura added: "I'm still green and gold all the way. I hate Minnesota; I can't stand Minnesota. I don't care if Brett is playing there. It didn't bother me, him with the Jets. But Minnesota I know personally I could never do it. I would just retire."

And that's what some of Favre's former teammates don't get and what makes them so angry at Favre. The Vikings? Really? The Vikings? Of all teams?

The game between Favre and his old team is big but it's not the game itself that makes this contest so fascinating. What's more important is that the game serves as a sort of gauge that measures the relationship between Favre, his old team and the fans.

It seems that some of Favre's teammates -- and not just a few of them -- aren't the biggest Favre fans.

Is it hatred? No.

But it's probably close.





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Since: Apr 14, 2007
Posted on: October 31, 2009 6:28 pm
 

Brett Favre and the 'H' word

In fairness, Brett Favre is dumb as a box of rocks. It might not be disrespect, just stupidity.

But yet he is obviously much smarter than you.....



Since: Oct 31, 2009
Posted on: October 31, 2009 6:28 pm
 

Brett Favre and the 'H' word

From my good friend Tiki Barber:

First of all, it behooves me to mention I grew up in a predominantly Vikings-loving area of the country, which has given me a deep and penetrating hatred of the Purple People Eaters. A lot of people ask me why I don't like the Vikings. I don't really know how to respond to such a stupid question because I don't understand how anyone could like them. The truth is that nobody likes the Vikings. I know for a fact that the tried and true Vikings fans in Minnesota actually hate the Vikings for all the disappointments and stupid moves they've suffered through over the years. The problem is that people in Minnesota are passive aggressive about shit, so they keep rooting for the Vikings even though they know deep down inside that their season is just going to end in crippling heartbreak as always. To prove that the Vikings are the worst franchise in sports, I have compiled a list of the top-five notorious moments in Vikings history.

1. Losing Four Super Bowls in Eight Years - Even though they were heavily favored, the Vikings lost Super Bowl IV to the Chiefs and Super Bowl IX to Steelers. Their other defeats came at the hands of the Dolphins in Super Bowl VIII and the Raiders in Super Bowl XI. It's a shame that young people today will never truly appreciate just how disappointing the '70s Vikings were because of the more recent Super Bowl futility of the Bills.

2. Herschel Walker Trade - This blunder is widely regarded as the worst sports trade of the modern era. In 1989 the Vikings gave up three first-round picks, three second-round picks, a third-round pick and a sixth-round pick plus five players to Dallas in exchange for Walker, two third-round picks, a fifth-round pick and a tenth-round pick. Dallas parlayed the draft picks into three Super Bowls. Herschel Walker spent three years with the Vikings and never ran for more than 825 yards in a season.

3. Dimitrius Underwood Debacle - The Vikings' first-round draft pick in 1999 was a DE from Michigan State named Dimitrius Underwood. He disappeared one day after the start of the Vikings' training camp; when he was located the Vikings agreed to release him so that Underwood could pursue a career in the ministry. Later in the same preseason Underwood un-retired to join the Dolphins, who had picked him up on waivers. During his tenure in Miami he was arrested during the Dolphins' bye week for nonpayment of child support. He later tried to commit suicide by stabbing himself in the throat and was placed in a mental hospital, from which he subsequently escaped. All of this, however, did not prevent the Cowboys from taking a chance on him. As a Cowboy Underwood was arrested for reckless driving and attempted to kill himself again. After being released by the Cowboys Underwood was arrested in 2003 and found mentally incompetent to stand trial on charges that he robbed a man in a wheelchair.

4. NFC Championship Gutlessness - The 15-1 Vikings lost to the Falcons in the Metrodome in January of 1999 after Gary Anderson, who had not missed a field goal the entire season, botched a 38-yard attempt with the Vikings up by seven and a little over two minutes left in regulation. The Falcons took over on offense and drove the field for a game-tying TD and eventually won the game in overtime on the strength of a Morten Andersen field goal. Two years later the Vikings lost to the Giants 41-0 in the biggest NFC Championship rout in NFL history. The ironic part was that the Vikings could have clinched home field advantage throughout the playoffs if they had won their last regular season game against the Colts. Instead, the Vikings mailed it in, which also happened to give the Colts the victory necessary to edge out the Steelers for the last AFC playoff spot. I hated that fucking team and have never forgiven the Vikings for that game.

5. Sex Boat Scandal - I don't really need to explain this one too much because it happened only a couple of months ago. Basically, the Vikes decided to have an orgy on board a boat in Lake Minnetonka. It makes perfect sense to me, but apparently this sort of bacchanalia is frowned upon in the suburbs of Minneapolis. It supposedly traumatized a few blonde teenage Christian bitches who were working on the boat, but that seems like a small price to pay for an afternoon of group sex. What a bunch of up-tight Lutheran assholes.

Honorable Mention: Wrong-Way Jim Marshall, the Randy Moss trade, Randy Moss running over a traffic cop, Mike Tice crying in the locker room, Tom Clancy's attempt to become their owner, Korey Stringer's death in training camp, missing the playoffs on the last play of the '03 season, allowing the clock to run out on them during the draft, etc.... This list is non-exhaustive; there are likely hundreds, if not thousands, of items you could include, but I simply don't have the resources at my disposal necessary to do a thorough job. I'll leave you now with a picture of the apparatus known as the the , made famous by Vikings RB Onterrio Smith. It comes in white, tan, latino, brown and black. It makes a perfect Christmas or Hanukkah gift. Speaking of which, I hope everyone reading this has a joyous holiday season.




Since: Oct 31, 2009
Posted on: October 31, 2009 6:26 pm
 

Brett Favre and the 'H' word

From my good friend Tiki Barber:

First of all, it behooves me to mention I grew up in a predominantly Vikings-loving area of the country, which has given me a deep and penetrating hatred of the Purple People Eaters. A lot of people ask me why I don't like the Vikings. I don't really know how to respond to such a stupid question because I don't understand how anyone could like them. The truth is that nobody likes the Vikings. I know for a fact that the tried and true Vikings fans in Minnesota actually hate the Vikings for all the disappointments and stupid moves they've suffered through over the years. The problem is that people in Minnesota are passive aggressive about shit, so they keep rooting for the Vikings even though they know deep down inside that their season is just going to end in crippling heartbreak as always. To prove that the Vikings are the worst franchise in sports, I have compiled a list of the top-five notorious moments in Vikings history.

1. Losing Four Super Bowls in Eight Years - Even though they were heavily favored, the Vikings lost Super Bowl IV to the Chiefs and Super Bowl IX to Steelers. Their other defeats came at the hands of the Dolphins in Super Bowl VIII and the Raiders in Super Bowl XI. It's a shame that young people today will never truly appreciate just how disappointing the '70s Vikings were because of the more recent Super Bowl futility of the Bills.

2. Herschel Walker Trade - This blunder is widely regarded as the worst sports trade of the modern era. In 1989 the Vikings gave up three first-round picks, three second-round picks, a third-round pick and a sixth-round pick plus five players to Dallas in exchange for Walker, two third-round picks, a fifth-round pick and a tenth-round pick. Dallas parlayed the draft picks into three Super Bowls. Herschel Walker spent three years with the Vikings and never ran for more than 825 yards in a season.

3. Dimitrius Underwood Debacle - The Vikings' first-round draft pick in 1999 was a DE from Michigan State named Dimitrius Underwood. He disappeared one day after the start of the Vikings' training camp; when he was located the Vikings agreed to release him so that Underwood could pursue a career in the ministry. Later in the same preseason Underwood un-retired to join the Dolphins, who had picked him up on waivers. During his tenure in Miami he was arrested during the Dolphins' bye week for nonpayment of child support. He later tried to commit suicide by stabbing himself in the throat and was placed in a mental hospital, from which he subsequently escaped. All of this, however, did not prevent the Cowboys from taking a chance on him. As a Cowboy Underwood was arrested for reckless driving and attempted to kill himself again. After being released by the Cowboys Underwood was arrested in 2003 and found mentally incompetent to stand trial on charges that he robbed a man in a wheelchair.

4. NFC Championship Gutlessness - The 15-1 Vikings lost to the Falcons in the Metrodome in January of 1999 after Gary Anderson, who had not missed a field goal the entire season, botched a 38-yard attempt with the Vikings up by seven and a little over two minutes left in regulation. The Falcons took over on offense and drove the field for a game-tying TD and eventually won the game in overtime on the strength of a Morten Andersen field goal. Two years later the Vikings lost to the Giants 41-0 in the biggest NFC Championship rout in NFL history. The ironic part was that the Vikings could have clinched home field advantage throughout the playoffs if they had won their last regular season game against the Colts. Instead, the Vikings mailed it in, which also happened to give the Colts the victory necessary to edge out the Steelers for the last AFC playoff spot. I hated that fucking team and have never forgiven the Vikings for that game.

5. Sex Boat Scandal - I don't really need to explain this one too much because it happened only a couple of months ago. Basically, the Vikes decided to have an orgy on board a boat in Lake Minnetonka. It makes perfect sense to me, but apparently this sort of bacchanalia is frowned upon in the suburbs of Minneapolis. It supposedly traumatized a few blonde teenage Christian bitches who were working on the boat, but that seems like a small price to pay for an afternoon of group sex. What a bunch of up-tight Lutheran assholes.

Honorable Mention: Wrong-Way Jim Marshall, the Randy Moss trade, Randy Moss running over a traffic cop, Mike Tice crying in the locker room, Tom Clancy's attempt to become their owner, Korey Stringer's death in training camp, missing the playoffs on the last play of the '03 season, allowing the clock to run out on them during the draft, etc.... This list is non-exhaustive; there are likely hundreds, if not thousands, of items you could include, but I simply don't have the resources at my disposal necessary to do a thorough job. I'll leave you now with a picture of the apparatus known as the the , made famous by Vikings RB Onterrio Smith. It comes in white, tan, latino, brown and black. It makes a perfect Christmas or Hanukkah gift. Speaking of which, I hope everyone reading this has a joyous holiday season.





Since: Feb 20, 2007
Posted on: October 31, 2009 6:19 pm
 

Brett Favre and the 'H' word

My God people... really?  Get over it.  Former players jumping in the fray now too?  If anyone took Favre's words (that this team he is on is the best team he's ever been on) to heard as anything but a leader on the team trying to make the other guys on the team believe then they are numbskulls... seriously. 

The team he is on is good.  They haven't won a championship though and for that reason alone we know his words are an attempt to make his teammates believe they can be something.

Just as his words stating he's never had a guy like Sidney Rice to throw to... he's trying to elevate Rice's expectations and play.  This isn't rocket-surgery fans... it's basic stuff.

Take a breath and stop finding excuses to be offended you cheeseheads!



Since: Jul 1, 2007
Posted on: October 31, 2009 6:11 pm
 

Brett Favre and the 'H' word

Leroy Butler needs to quit crying. Brett Favre replaced an injured Don Majkowski in the 1st quarter against the Bengals back in 1992.  Up until then Butler was with the team 34 games, and they went 10 - 24. Leroy wasn't a difference maker, that started when Brett came in against Cincy.  The following year Reggie White came to Green Bay because of Favre.  When asked why he chose to come to the Packers, Reggie replied, "Brett Favre is the best quarterback and God said I would win a Super Bowl in Green Bay."  Reggie recognized Favre's talent after seeing him play 14 games the year before.  Leroy was a good player, but will never be in Canton.



Since: May 4, 2009
Posted on: October 31, 2009 5:58 pm
 

Brett Favre and the 'H' word

How about this...?

Some of Favre's teammates (ex-) are a bunch of crybabies.  How does that sound?  Sounds great to me.  The same could be said for all of the SICKOS who attended the mock funeral for Favre yesterday, for the imbecile on youtube who is shooting holes through Favre's jersey with a rifle, for all of the idiots who have burned Favre memorabilia, etc., etc.  Let all of the Favre haters throw their little temper tantrums.  The bottom line is still this:

Last year, Favre's jersey was the best seller, even setting a single day sales record.

This year, Favre's jersey is the best seller...much to the chagrin of the Favre haters who insist that he's ruining his legacy.

The first time (tomorrow will be the second time) that Favre beat the Slackers, it was a record for ratings for a cable TV show.  In fact, it was the first time during the Fall, when major networks are all showing their regular lineups, that a cable TV show outdrew all of the major TV networks. 

Stomp your feet some more, crybabies.  Better yet, go stomp your feet with KOOKY, old Fran Tarkenton, the bitter old man who can't stand to see Favre winning with the Vikings.  There will be plenty more to cry about after Favre and the Vikings wipe the floor with the paltry Packers tomorrow.  Personally, I can't wait to see it.  Oh, I almost forgot...

Your "golden boy", Aaron Rodgers, is a DUD!  He inherited a 13-3 team from Favre and went 6 - 10.  Make all of the excuses for him that you want.  The guy is a LOSER!  Reality bites, doesn't it? 




Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: October 31, 2009 5:55 pm
 

Brett Favre and the 'H' word

Freeman has a real dislike for Favre.  Why?  I don't know.  I'm not crazy about him anymore either but Mike is going around looking for quotes to fit his opinions.  Favre and Chmura were buddies.  I doubt that there is hatred now.  Favre didn't dump Mark as a friend after the alleged hot tub party with minors.  Get a life, Freeman



Since: Sep 25, 2006
Posted on: October 31, 2009 5:54 pm
 

Brett Favre and the 'H' word

Most Vikings fans are fine with selling their soul for a guy who just wants personal redemption.  With the way some of the morons on the Vikings boards talk about Favre you'd think he had been a Viking for 16 years.  Whatever.  This is why there are no real rivalries in pro sports anymore.



Since: Oct 23, 2006
Posted on: October 31, 2009 5:54 pm
 

Brett Favre and the 'H' word

Sorry but aren't you the same Freeman who has yet to apologize about passing on and fostering the lies about Rush Limbaugh?



Since: Nov 14, 2006
Posted on: October 31, 2009 5:38 pm
 

Brett Favre and the 'H' word

In fairness, Brett Favre is dumb as a box of rocks. It might not be disrespect, just stupidity.


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