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Brett Favre and the 'H' word

Posted on: October 31, 2009 4:55 pm
Edited on: October 31, 2009 4:57 pm
GREEN BAY -- Former Packer LeRoy Butler remembers the time, a few years back, when a group of Packers players from the 1996 Super Bowl team wanted to organize a reunion. It was a nice idea but there was a problem.

When some former players phoned Favre and left messages for him, he didn't return their calls.

Some players weren't surprised they didn't hear from the All-Universe thrower. After all, Favre used to dress in a different locker area from the rest of the team.

The rift between Favre and the current Packers management may have started quite simply. Favre wasn't treated like a diva, and he took offense, and the relationship degraded from there.

Favre proponents believe he is a sincere warrior; Favre realists know better, understanding that Favre's ego is as potent as his arm.

The 'H' word is hate. Do some on both sides hate each other?

Probably not but there also isn't a great deal of like between former Packers players, current management and Favre.

The nerves were again exposed when Favre said this Minnesota team was the best he ever played on. It was met with a swift rebuke by some of Favre's former teammates who took genuine offense in interviews with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

"To say that the team he's on now, after seven games, is better than the '96 team - that's just preposterous. Not only did we have the No. 1 defense in 1996, but we had No. 1 special teams," said Butler. "I bleed green and gold so much. I don't want somebody to beat my team. This is my team. I played 181 games, I was there before Brett, before Reggie White and Ron Wolf and everybody. This team means a lot to me, so when somebody calls up on the radio show: 'Brett Favre is the one that turned everything around' - it's almost a disrespectful slap in the face."

Said former tight end Mark Chmura: "I kind of went through the teams position by position and they just aren't as good as we were. And it all starts with Brett - Brett's not as good as he was. They have Adrian Peterson, but I think Chester Taylor is a guy. We had Dorsey (Levens) and Edgar (Bennett), that's pretty good balance. Our tight ends were clearly better (laughs). I may be biased. Their offensive line may be a little bit better. Our quarterback was 10 times better, our receivers were better, our special teams were much better.

"I mean, you're talking about the No. 1 defense in the league at that time, maybe one of the best defenses ever to play the game. Don't get me wrong. Favre is still a good quarterback, but he was unbelievable in the day. When we played back then, teams feared us. I don't know if teams fear the Minnesota Vikings today. We knew no one could beat us at home, absolutely nobody."

Then Chmura added: "I'm still green and gold all the way. I hate Minnesota; I can't stand Minnesota. I don't care if Brett is playing there. It didn't bother me, him with the Jets. But Minnesota I know personally I could never do it. I would just retire."

And that's what some of Favre's former teammates don't get and what makes them so angry at Favre. The Vikings? Really? The Vikings? Of all teams?

The game between Favre and his old team is big but it's not the game itself that makes this contest so fascinating. What's more important is that the game serves as a sort of gauge that measures the relationship between Favre, his old team and the fans.

It seems that some of Favre's teammates -- and not just a few of them -- aren't the biggest Favre fans.

Is it hatred? No.

But it's probably close.

Category: NFL

Since: Sep 5, 2007
Posted on: October 31, 2009 11:04 pm

Brett Favre and the 'H' word

first of all "shut up", you dont know what you are talking about. Yes, the packers vikings rivarly is huge, and favre joining the vikings taints it. We all get that, what im disagreeing with you is how they lost last week. To say it was all on favre is just STUPID. Chestor Taylor, who is known for doing screen plays all the time, has to catch that ball. It fell right off his hands, and you blame favre. 2nd of all the defense played terrible. The favre fumble,he could of got rid of it faster but the blocking broke down. Last weeks loss wasnt ALL ON Favre.

Since: Sep 2, 2009
Posted on: October 31, 2009 10:55 pm

Brett Favre and the 'H' word

TomNorth, if you are the author of that blog piece, good piece. I was snickering the whole way through. If you just ran across it, good find. Very entertaining.

Since: Oct 31, 2009
Posted on: October 31, 2009 10:35 pm

Brett Favre and the 'H' word

After listening to all the packer fans for 15 months, I actually hope Brett wins tomorrow.  some day you might appreciate what you had.

Since: Aug 25, 2009
Posted on: October 31, 2009 10:32 pm

Brett Favre and the 'H' word

Good stuff I'm with you.

Since: Nov 23, 2006
Posted on: October 31, 2009 10:28 pm

Brett Favre and the 'H' word

If having a quarterback that has outperformed Favre all around the last two seasons bites, I'm glad to take it. Keep in mind that in 2007, Ryan Grant actually was capable of making cuts and not falling on his ass whenever he brushed against someone. Keep in mind that in 2006 and many years prior, we had a top-10 offensive line. Sure, put all the blame on Rodgers. But when the VIKINGS win, it's all Favre. When the VIKINGS lose, it's clearly not Favre.

But no. Ignore the fact that the most-sacked QB in the leauge through 6 games was able to outperform a certain former GB QB, that is complemented by the best RB in the game, and a superior offensive line. Completely ignore it. Use phrases like "Aaron Rodgers inherited a 13-3 team" and completely ignore the other significant roster changes and put all the blame on Favre. When Favre joins the vikings, be sure to give him credit for every win, because he's clearly the only improvement on the team. Granted, Favre was a big improvement for the Vikings because he's a good quarterback. Unfortunately, that's all he is anymore.

Since: Nov 19, 2008
Posted on: October 31, 2009 10:01 pm

Brett Favre and the 'H' word

I am sorry, but how the (expletive) was that all on Favre?  The tripping call was bs, Steelers fans can view it how they want, but that was a td.  2 plays later came the strip.  If that's a td like it should be, it never happened.  The interception, I do not care what anyone says, if a ball hits you squarely in the hands you catch the damn thing.  That was all on Chester Taylor.  That is for sure one td taken back, most likely 2 tds.  Ok, Steeler fans keep talking about the bs opi call, ok, that's 1 td taken from you.  1 td, vs 2.  I'm not saying that if we all had our tds and the refs weren't cheating/competent that we would have won, but it is definitely a way different football game.  Brad Childress terrible coach, I would at least run it twice with 1st and goal at the 1 with AP, and in all honesty I would run it 4 times in a row right down their throat, send a message, hey if we don't make it they have to march it 99 yards downfield.  That game was not at all on Favre.

Since: Apr 14, 2009
Posted on: October 31, 2009 10:00 pm

Brett Favre and the 'H' word

Errr, statistics would show that Rodgers had a hell of a seaosn last year... Most of the problems can be pinned on that defense (which Favre had nothing to do with).

But please, let it all, tell us how you really feel?

Since: Apr 14, 2009
Posted on: October 31, 2009 9:57 pm

Brett Favre and the 'H' word

When Rush apologizes for fostering lies and hate, so will Freeman. I think that's fair.

Since: May 4, 2009
Posted on: October 31, 2009 9:55 pm

Brett Favre and the 'H' word


Of course, you are correct.  Problem is that, like Rodgers, a lot of the posters here are "fantasy football guys" in the sense that they don't like to deal with REALITY.  Things will only get worse for them after tomorrow's game...

Since: Jan 22, 2007
Posted on: October 31, 2009 9:43 pm

Brett Favre and the 'H' word

It can't be the right decision if it means Brett favre is in Minnesota, your biggest rival. Your club made a decision that strengthened your rival. So, that's a bad decision. Rodgers is only 10-12 as a starter. Already has the same amount of career losing seasons as Favre had in 16 years. Rodgers is a fantasy football guy. He's no winner.

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