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The Daily Shoutout

Posted on: May 19, 2011 8:15 am
Edited on: May 19, 2011 8:32 am
 
GAYS AND THE NFL: In just a matter of days we've seen a great deal of news about gay athletes and sports executives. There was former Villanova basketball player Will Sheridan. And Phoenix Suns executive Rick Welts. This is all good news. Bigotry of any kind shouldn't be tolerated as Charles Barkley recently said when discussing gay players he knew from his playing days. Gays in sports are the last acceptable group to bash. We have a long way to go but these recent situatons are definitely a sign of progress.

Except...in the biggest sport of all, professional football, there's been little progress in this area. None, in fact. Esera Tuaolo announced he was gay after his playing days concluded. But could a player on an NFL team announce he was gay and still play? Um, hell no. Football remains the last bastion of homophobia. I wrote a book chapter on this subject almost a decade ago and little has changed within the NFL since then while other sports have become far more open minded. The machismo of football is like a force field to the possibility of a gay player coming out. It's unlikely we'll see an openly gay NFL player for a long, long time.

EARTH: If the world ends before the lockout is over, I'm gonna be pretty irritated.

LIGHT READING: The Chamber of Commerce brief supporting NFL owners.

SNITCH: Rex Grossman rats out Donovan McNabb.

Aaron Rodgers: Another reason why he's a good guy.

See you Friday.
Category: NFL
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Since: Dec 1, 2009
Posted on: May 21, 2011 1:14 pm
 

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irregardless: My condolences to your teachers, sir. Years of schooling, free of charge, and you've not yet learned how to read critically or use logic. What a sad waste you've made of your native talents.



Since: Dec 1, 2009
Posted on: May 21, 2011 1:10 pm
 

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HornsNbr1: If Bambi (Lance Allworth) was gay, then that surely must have come as shocking news to Joey Heatherton (his wife.) Also, it would've been one heck of a waste of a fine, fine woman.



Since: Dec 1, 2009
Posted on: May 21, 2011 1:06 pm
 

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dulos, God knows, s'truth. ("The point remains the same, the lack of homosexuals in the NFL does not equal homophobia or hatred anymore than the lack of salads served at football games proves that NFL fans hate vegetables.") Certainly, the make-up of the Nazi SA (aka Storm Troopers) proves that there are more than a few physically aggressive gay men in the world, but a simple eyeball test suggests that they aren't nearly so universal as is homo footballer among, say, the larger universe of Southern Man. 



Since: Dec 1, 2009
Posted on: May 21, 2011 12:58 pm
 

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BluebirdTitan: "I mean damn man, throwing the entire Jewish population under a bus? I assume you mean Communist revolutionaries? Harvey Milk was clearly Jewish but he was hardly alone in activism, and look what getting elected did for him. But even at 2-3 per 100 you're looking at more than 9 MILLION people. That's a pretty big chunk. Nice to see you talking about avoiding generalizations then going on to generalize Jewish people. Classy."

Please try both to read more carefully and write less reflexively, friend. I threw no one "under a bus." I was referring to a specific talking point which is little more than deliberate propaganda, to wit that gays number anything close to 10% of the population. My impression is that those who hew most fiercely to this canard are overwhelmingly among the urban Jewish in America. (Are they generalizing from their own peculiar and disparate ethnic experience? If so. then they should stop stereotyping the rest of us so.) It is certainly of at least passing interest that the same folks who insist on inflating the demographic significance of one group also do so for another. Your own use of the construct "even at 2-3 per 100," when neither the article nor my response touched on the fact that outlandish claims that as many as 6% of all Americans are Jewish are commonly made. This need to inflate one's own numbers, as if they were, indeed, the measure of one's rectitude, or even one's right to be heard, are similarly noteworthy. In fact, of course, they ARE important, as is the underlying truth, to the extent that the majority should control the use of the Commons. A touchy subject, though, the Commons, because keeping the focus of politics upon it bares an uncomfortable Truth, that the Rules for its Use cannot be all things to all men, so that some must be constrained within it, necessarily. Gay men may prefer to have public sex during daylight hours in public parks, but this is seldom much tolerated outside of San Francisco. The question, nakedly, is about competing claims to public spaces, so numbers ARE, in fact, rather important. I suppose it's understandable that those who prefer to rut in public like pigs (or ancient Romans during Saturnalia) do not wish to be "oppressed" by the rest of us, but them's the breaks.

Now, as to the "Communist revolutionaries" which you "assume" that I meant, BRAVO! I did, indeed, mean exactly that. My own handy construct for the reality to which YOUR OWN MIND went so freely is "the religion of their people." Not for nothing the study of history; Marx and the Anarchists, the "Russian" resistance to Checkism through American garment industry trade unionism on to the purge of most revolutionary Jewish from the United Automobile Workers under the brothers Reuther, the leadership rolls of both the Mensheviks and the Bolshevicks, the fact that two groups notably betrayed the secrets of the atom to their Soviet Commintern masters (British erstwhile homosexual public school boys and the Jewish of both sexes.) Facts are facts, sir. Mentioning them isn't unfair, per se, but deliberately insisting that they remain hidden is most certainly unfair. Uncomfortable facts are still facts.





Since: Dec 1, 2009
Posted on: May 21, 2011 11:26 am
 

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The 1 in 10 number is gay propaganda, friend. Until the activists started ratcheting the number up some twenty or so years ago, every source came back with a number around 2 or 3 in 100. Now, given that so many early "activists" of ALL stripes were little more than Jewish revolutionaries operating by other means (AKA, any means necessary, including flat-out LYING), they may well have been right about their fellow Jewish revolutionaries or even their fellow "Russians" in general. Generalizing to the rest of us, however, is and was unwarranted by the facts. (And, no, the fact that you let your cousin diddle you when you were spending a night in a tent in your backyard when you were eleven does NOT make you gay, just a vulnerable kid.)



Since: Dec 1, 2009
Posted on: May 21, 2011 11:25 am
 

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The 1 in 10 number is gay propaganda, friend. Until the activists started ratcheting the number up some twenty or so years ago, every source came back with a number around 2 or 3 in 100. Now, given that so many early "activists" of ALL stripes were little more than Jewish revolutionaries operating by other means (AKA, any means necessary, including flat-out LYING), they may well have been right about their fellow Jewish revolutionaries or even their fellow Jews in general. Generalizing to the rest of us, however, is and was unwarranted by the facts. (And, no, the fact that you let your cousin diddle you when you were spending a night in a tent in your backyard when you were eleven does NOT make you gay, just a vulnerable kid.)



Since: Apr 14, 2007
Posted on: May 19, 2011 4:48 pm
 

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Hey look, it's jack sprat the one person in the world that could make Mike Freeman look intelligent by comparison.

Nice bigotry there jacko.



Since: Mar 3, 2007
Posted on: May 19, 2011 4:46 pm
 

Causation Implies Correlation Falicy

While I'm not realy sure about the "Jewish Revolutionaries" argument, I have no problem with 2 or 3 % of people being homosexual. I was giving "best case" statistics anyways. The point remains the same, the lack of homosexuals in the NFL does not equal homophobia or hatred anymore than the lack of salads served at football games proves that NFL fans hate vegetables. They might, but Freeman is being unprofessional to argue his position based on a cum hoc falicy.




Since: Apr 14, 2007
Posted on: May 19, 2011 4:45 pm
 

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So when Rex grossman answers a pointed question, and says he doesn't know for sure, he is a snitch?
This from the guys that reports make believe rumors, and complete falsehoods about the lock out? The guy that either flat out lies, or reports obvious lies?

I wrote a book chapter on this subject almost a decade ago and little has changed within the NFL since then while other sports have become far more open minded.


Freeman wrote a book? I imagine nobody realized that...no wonder he is a bitter petty man. But 10 years ago?

Freeman is forgetting the ESPN stories, and NBC stories about gay football players in the '90s that had interviews with actual gay football players. In the NFL!

Mike Freeman...uninformed and built to stay that way.



Since: May 17, 2008
Posted on: May 19, 2011 4:24 pm
 

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Now, given that so many early "activists" of ALL stripes were little more than Jewish revolutionaries operating by other means (AKA, any means necessary, including flat-out LYING), they may well have been right about their fellow Jewish revolutionaries or even their fellow Jews in general.
Sorry, what? Jewish revolutionaries? Hmm, that Malcolm X - clearly Jewish, Dr. King too. They were activists of a particular stripe, throwing them in there too?

I mean damn man, throwing the entire Jewish population under a bus? I assume you mean Communist revolutionaries? Harvey Milk was clearly Jewish but he was hardly alone in activism, and look what getting elected did for him. But even at 2-3 per 100 you're looking at more than 9 MILLION people. That's a pretty big chunk.

Nice to see you talking about avoiding generalizations then going on to generalize Jewish people. Classy.


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