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Posted on: July 19, 2011 5:31 am
THE TANGLED WEB OF THE RETIREE ISSUE: In its new collective bargaining agreement the NFL has added hundreds of millions of dollars for retired players. I wrote about the news. To me, it's simply an incredible achievement. But to demonstrate how toxic the issue still remains, I wanted to run the email I received from George Visger, a critic of the NFL and union for its handling of retired players. He is, well, unimpressed.

"I am glad to see the NFL adding to the Legacy Fund, and $620 million is certainly not chump change, but it still is less than .75 of 1% of their $9.5 billion industry," Visger, a former NFL player, wrote to me late Monday night. "The NFL has talked a good game up till now but never delivered, and I truly believe this is more of a publicity stunt than anything else.

"Show me the money NFL and shut your mouth.Otherwise they can take their bull---- talk and shove it where the sun don't shine. We discarded players are not asking for anything other than our earned benefits."

I love Visger. Respect him greatly. He's one of the toughest, smartest people you will ever meet. But I have to disagree with him. What DeMaurice Smith has done in getting these extra monies for retired players is a big deal. A very big deal.

Many former players will discuss the new benefits in the coming days. I'm not sure how many will feel the same as Visger.

See you Wednesday.


Category: NFL
Tags: Lockout

Since: Jul 19, 2011
Posted on: July 19, 2011 10:47 am

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@lh8daPats.  I second that.  Visger was a nobody in the NFL, played very little, and he acts like he was Joe Montana.  He's no different from the guys standing at the street corner bumming for a handout!

Since: Jul 19, 2011
Posted on: July 19, 2011 10:42 am

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Sorry easywomen, wasn't talking to you.  I was aiming my sights on KidNova.  Should have made that clear.

Since: Aug 25, 2006
Posted on: July 19, 2011 10:41 am

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@ gump2626...your sarcasm aside, my focus was not on the other opportunities available, but rather the lack of health care for injuries/illnesses resulting from "work".  Specific to your reference to "free college education", and the opportunities available from that college degree?...apparently you're not aware of the graduation rate for scholarship athletes...and lets not talk about the "free education", as college's offer that as a means to an end...for most of the majot colleges, the positive impact to the bottom line far exceeds the "cost' of the scholarship... far as "saying that about any industry" - that they chew you up and spit you out when you can no longer perform?  Not "any"/all industries exact the physical toll that professional football does (never mind the cumulative effect of the years from HS through college, before that.) 

Also ignores the fact that knowledge/information of the long term impact of certain choices is not available until research catches up.  Who is to say that individuals wouldn't have gone in a different direction, had they been aware of LT consequences?

I'm not advocating handouts, but I am suggesting that the NFL should properly address the issue of caring for former players who have incurred health issues directly related to playing football, even if the "connection" was established by medical research years after the retirement...and I'd bet you a dinner that like the cigarette industry, the NFL was aware of the impact years before formal research validated it.

Since: Sep 3, 2006
Posted on: July 19, 2011 10:37 am

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First of all, I am about as far from Liberal as you can get (Tea Party) right wing! Second, I wasn't talking about what the retired players should or shouldn't get! I was referring to the way people are writing thier comments about something they know very little about.

Since: May 29, 2008
Posted on: July 19, 2011 10:36 am

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Wow, yet another "retired" player bitching cause he didn't get his millions.  Just curious there Visger, how much was your scholarship worth that paid for your college eduacation.  Should you not hold in your very educated hands, a 4 year college degree.  Perhaps, just perhaps, you should take that degree and whatever pension you might be recieving from the league and earn a living for yourself like the rest of america does.  Military vets spend 20 plus years of their life serving, protecting and sacrificing for their country and what do they get at retirement.  Long lines at VA hospitals that are usually staffed by less than competent doctors and peanuts for paychecks.  What did you ever do for this country.  How many lives have you saved Visger.  Hell, how many lives have you had to take to survive to see another day.  Visger, shut your mouth.  You chose to play a game for a living.  A game.  You were given a free college education and have the opportunity to use it to make a better life for yourself.  Stop acting like anybody owes you anything.  Most of the players that are retired now or are going to retire soon are probably looking at this deal as pretty freaking good so go back to whatever rock you crawled out from under and go back to sleep.   

Since: Jul 19, 2011
Posted on: July 19, 2011 10:28 am

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Can't stand a moron bleeding heart that doesn't know what the heck he or she is talking about.  Why in the freaking world would the players and owners give more than 1% to retired players?  Seriously, you must believe that your fellow man should take care of you, right?  Probably on food stamps and live in section 8.  Wake up, the retired players made their money when it was THEIR time.  They don't deserve to make more on their pension just because the NFL is making more money now.  That's simply ludicrous and a simple minded way of thinking.  Please keep your liberal rants to yourself moron.

Thank you,


Since: Sep 3, 2006
Posted on: July 19, 2011 10:24 am

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Reading a lot of these comments are like sitting at the bar having a brew and watching an NFL game and listening to the 5'9 buc o five p.o.s. claiming he could do a better job about something he knows nothing about. Once you know more than what ESPN has told you, keep your mouth shut.

Since: Sep 23, 2010
Posted on: July 19, 2011 10:24 am

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wtrobinson, I agree with your post.

A couple of months ago I spent some time doing the math of owning a football franchise in the NFL. 

The first problem is defining a revenue stream. The total revenue is approx. $9.6 B.  That's total. There are 32 teams. If every team brought in equal revenue that would be $281,000,000 per team.  We all know that Cincinnati and Buffalo don't come anywhere near that type of money, but let's look at the Ginats, Jets, Pats, Cowboys et al .

We all know that player salaries is the biggest expense.  Most teams are near or beyond $100M.  That leaves $181M. Then you have coaches, staff, and team administration.  Rent or mortgage (Cowboys are paying near $20,000,000 a month on the mortgage). The electric bill alone has to be near $1M a month.  All that revenue from the concessions is nice, but the food, beer and peanuts have a cost and so do the people that sell them. In the best case, concessions net about 4-5% of the total. Then there's my area of "expertise" and something no one ever talks about........INSURANCE. Ever think about what the Property insurance costs are? How about public liability? Auto? Life? Workers Comp? the Umbrella policy to cover everything not covered everywhere else? How about professional liability? Error and Omissions?

When all is said and done, the owners make money, but as wt said, that doesn't go into their pocket.

The plyers began to understand the difference between revenue and profit very early on in the negiotiations and they were willing to back off what they had already gained in the last CBA. They already had 53% of the revenues in their pocket and agreed to back off to 48%. Once they saw the real costs  of operation, not the books, the costs, they agreed that they needed to back up. They wanted 65% originally but began to understand that if they continued to pursue that, the gig was up and the league was dead.  The smartedt move was to put the rookie salary cap in place and increase the existing player pool. Now, experienced players will be paid better and the Ryan Leafs and Mike Mirers won't hamstring a franchise for 5-7 years and never put a rear end in a seat.  The best part is that undrafted free agents will get a much better minimum contract.

As for the retired players, I agree somewhat with a few of the thoughts in here. First, many of these guys never played in the fantasy era. Fantasy football was invented in 1985.  I happened to have worked with the guys who originally wrote the code that allowed the stats to be dumped from USA TODAY into a spreadsheet. It took a few years to get the systems to be able to brak down the data and catergorize it.  The advent of the PC allow these guys to play around at home and develop the code that is in use today. But back to the original thought......fantasy football turned all professional sports in to the industries that they are now. Prior to 1985, pro football was a Sunday afternoon game. The best stats available were Monday morning in USA Today. The retired players were no different than the players today. Until contract talks or the CBA is discussed, they don't think alot about the time that they won't be playing. If a guy is lucky enough to a second contract and actually make a few million, most of them piss it away as soon as the check is deposited. Many of them go home and start handing out cash like lollipops. Old friends hook and and for more than a few, old friends are parasites who do little other than run around doing errands and syphoning off money.  Most players today are starting to listen to the financial experts the league is providing and have started to invest or at least bank some money.

The old guys didn't make as much but made a hell of a lot better than the average guy in the 60's and 70's and 80's. 99% of them, never took care of their money because they didn't think they'd ever get old or hurt.

A very simple question......Just how responsible is the NFL for these retired players? Did the league actually do any damage to them? Or did they do it to tyhemselves.  How many of them never reported an injury?  Hve any of you out there ever gotten injured on the job and not reported it?  When that i jury rears it's ugly head gain in 5 years, who you going to blame? Your employer? Course you are, you're not going to take responsibility, some one else has to pay................................

.been there, I'm the guy who investigates the claims....

Since: Jul 19, 2011
Posted on: July 19, 2011 10:02 am

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The retirees are receiving $620 million over ten years.  The industry makes $9.5 billion per year.  Therefore, $620 million of $95 billion is less than 1%.

On a side note, I never heard of this guy as he was drafted before I was born, but he played 3 games I believe in the NFL according to the stats I found.  He has had multiple concussions and I don't doubt his toughness.  But according to the Bio's I read on this guy, he started with the concussions before he made it to the NFL and didn't even record a statistic in the league.  Man I wish I could complain about collecting money from a job I worked one year at!!!

Since: Mar 26, 2009
Posted on: July 19, 2011 9:58 am

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@ geofrancis...  Nice comparison.  There is one big difference between a dog and a former player.  As I stated earlier the former player has the ability to go out and get a job, with what should be a free college education.  The dog however, is still a dog.  If you think the NFL is comparible to dog fighting, I guess you could say that about any money making industry.  Once you hit a stage where you can no longer perform at the highest level, they chew you up and spit you out.  I'm pretty sure all these poor players used in "fight exibitions" had a choice in the matter.  They could have passed and gone out into the real world and got a real job.  But what fun is that, right?

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